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Post by Subu'atai on Jun 25, 2008 20:51:16 GMT 3
Argh, strange mistranslation sometimes. Today's scholars prefer to use the term Golden Khanate, Kipchak Khanate, or simply stick to Altan Urag (Golden Camp) ne ways. Modern definition of "horde" seems to reflect how Euros find it difficult to accept they were defeated by just 2 tumens (20,000) invading all of east Europe.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jun 26, 2008 14:30:53 GMT 3
Hehe Yes indeed, the most correct names should be "Ulus of Joči" or "Qïpčaq Khanate".
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Post by Nomad (Daz) on Jul 3, 2008 13:34:20 GMT 3
do you really believe Mongols were just brainless suicide bombers like Al-quaida? Not like Al-quaida (I don't admire the Al-quaida methods as they use wrong path of a warrior to die) but more like a Taliban now days. Taliban is much more than you think. Its a "Spartian" in a flesh. If you would like to talk about Taliban open a thread!!!
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Post by Nomad (Daz) on Jul 3, 2008 15:30:44 GMT 3
Nomad you have to study deeper into history and evaluate it by your present as well. Almost ALL historical sources are written by the conquered. You think they will want to admit getting their a**es owned so easily by nomadic warriors? They make excuses everywhere they turn. They even somehow mistranslated the Mongol word "camp" into horde to the point the English term for the Golden Khanate is the Golden Horde yet every soldier fought outnumbered and won. If you lose the best of your soldiers against just a few nomads you're going to be bitter as f**k. I never said I was reading history books to hard because I find it useless to just read it. I prefer other sciences as well. For instance you read about the lost civilazation in Finland. You are told that they had advance trade system, uniq language, advanced weapons and iron armor coved there soldies. Not forget to mention big settlements that were as big as ROME. Geographicaly their could not be big settlements in North part of the world as it was covered in Ice and thick woods. No sign that there was fields where you could grow grain. Economicaly their could not be advance trade at all because how will you are goint to ship it. And if you are willing to ship will it be competative?! The juice doesn't cost the squiz. Geologist will ask about the mines and ore deposits. It can continue without end. So maybe you should start reading other books?!
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Post by Nomad (Daz) on Jul 3, 2008 15:47:33 GMT 3
Stupid question. Every child examinig mongol expansion reads about the military law of Chingis Khan. If 10th will run 100 will be executed, if 100 runs 1000 will be executed, if 1000 runs 10 000 will be put to death. Every true admires of War art knows that. Now apply it in a battle field. What will happen if 100 will see 10 running away?
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Post by Subu'atai on Jul 3, 2008 16:21:11 GMT 3
It's actually if 1 man runs, the other 9 will be executed. Abandoning a comrade in battle will have the remaining nine executed as well. Killing off our own armies like 1000 or 10,000 has never happened. This law is just military discipline, nothing to do with suicide troops.
We did use cannon fodder however, but it was never Mongol soldiers.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jul 3, 2008 21:47:09 GMT 3
Stupid question. Every child examinig mongol expansion reads about the military law of Chingis Khan. If 10th will run 100 will be executed, if 100 runs 1000 will be executed, if 1000 runs 10 000 will be put to death. Every true admires of War art knows that. Now apply it in a battle field. What will happen if 100 will see 10 running away? Stupid question? I warned you many times before to watch your language. Now you're banned. Farewell.
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Post by Subu'atai on Jul 3, 2008 21:53:05 GMT 3
^ For a descendant of Jochi... he seems rather, odd actually
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jul 3, 2008 21:57:37 GMT 3
He is just a brainwashed and disrespectful person who doesn't know how to obey the admins of sites he joins.
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Post by Subu'atai on Jul 3, 2008 22:02:41 GMT 3
I thought Kazakhstan is independent?
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jul 3, 2008 22:08:01 GMT 3
So-called All those countries except Turkmenistan are still under heavy Russian (and partially American) influence.
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Post by Subu'atai on Jul 3, 2008 22:12:00 GMT 3
Russia is so weak now, how can they possibly still be pushing Kazaks around? -_O
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jul 3, 2008 22:12:49 GMT 3
Not that weak Plus, their cultural influence is even bigger.
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Post by Subu'atai on Jul 3, 2008 22:20:17 GMT 3
Hell looks like Pan-Turkism is pretty much as hard as Pan-Mongolism from sounds of things
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Post by tengrikut on Jul 4, 2008 9:35:08 GMT 3
Subu'atai, was he the first Kazakh you met ;D
ordinary kazakh behaviour, they know everything well, they are the best, they act as the boss, they are the god's shadows on the earth etc ;D it is hard to understand and live together with those people
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