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Post by BAWIR$AQ on May 18, 2007 7:53:11 GMT 3
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Post by balamir on May 18, 2007 11:15:58 GMT 3
Ara Qazaqs and Turkmens battling in this movie?Why?
Which ones are Qazaqs?Which ones are Turkmens?
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on May 18, 2007 14:26:09 GMT 3
Ara Qazaqs and Turkmens battling in this movie?Why? For the land. Did you watch the preview? You shouldn't have any problem recognizing who's who. |
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Post by balamir on May 18, 2007 14:51:21 GMT 3
Ara Qazaqs and Turkmens battling in this movie?Why? For the land. Did you watch the preview? You shouldn't have any problem recognizing who's who. I watched it now.I think the fat hats are Turkmens,classic nomad hats are Qazaqs right? |
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Post by nisse on May 18, 2007 15:53:11 GMT 3
I thought turkmens and kazak never fought each other, when did that happen, do you have som more info about it
btw , balamir , are you krim tatar
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Post by nisse on May 18, 2007 16:20:15 GMT 3
how do you download, do I have to login in
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Post by Atabeg on May 18, 2007 16:52:44 GMT 3
I thought turkmens and kazak never fought each other, when did that happen, do you have som more info about it btw , balamir , are you krim tatar accualy everybody fought allmost everybody specially bordering tribes it's all for the supreme leadership of the steppes or parts of it and yes hes krim tatar |
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Post by Temüjin on May 18, 2007 17:36:06 GMT 3
what language is the movie? oh well, i'll download it anyways...  ;D |
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Post by balamir on May 18, 2007 19:15:45 GMT 3
btw , balamir , are you krim tatar Yes,but I also have a few Turkmen relatives from Samsun in my father's side. Why you asked it? I want to download the movie,but ý need a Turkish sub for it  |
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Post by nisse on May 18, 2007 22:11:05 GMT 3
wow , you have , where does samsun lay , not in turkmenistan or?  I was just curious, I never met any krim tatar or any tatar I never meet any kirgiz or kazak and uygur either |
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Post by balamir on May 18, 2007 22:29:33 GMT 3
wow , you have , where does samsun lay , not in turkmenistan or? Samsun is in the north of the Turkey.Chepni Turkmens are living in it's villages. |
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on May 18, 2007 22:53:41 GMT 3
Movie language is Russian over Kazak.
+ English subtitles
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Post by Temüjin on May 20, 2007 1:00:05 GMT 3
most of the movie is really great, but the end with Ershora becoming mad ruined the movie overall.... |
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Post by nisse on May 20, 2007 2:08:38 GMT 3
BAWIR$AQ , when did this happen do you have more info about it
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on May 20, 2007 4:14:59 GMT 3
Ershora became mankurt. ------------------------- The term mankurt comes from a Turkic myth popularized by Chinghiz Aitmatov in his novel "Day Lasts More Than a Hundred Years" ( "I dol'she veka dlitsja den'"), a philosophical tale about what can happen to people if they forget their motherland, language, and history. The Kazakh legend mentioned in the novel is about a cruel way of making a mankurt, a man that forgets everything but basic activities and thus becomes an ideal slave. A fresh raw camel hide would be put as a cap on the thoroughly shaven head of a captive. The slave with his hands tied and with a large wooden stock around his neck preventing him from reaching his head would be left in desert for several days. Once the hide would start drying it would shrink and bind to the head, thus making a hoop and "squeezing" all sanity out of the man. What is worse, the hair is not always able to grow through the camel's hide so it often curls back and the strong Asian hair would penetrates the scalp again causing a pain beyond endurance. Removing completely the camel's hide from the scalp is not always possible and those mankurts (e.g. the son of Nayman-Ana in Aytmatov's novel) are so ashamed of having such a headgear that they are always wearing a cap, day and night and would not doff it for anything in the world. If the man happens to survive the torture, he would be recuperated and become like a dog to his master, not remembering anything from his past, even his own name nor his own mother. This legend and the story around it are of central symbolic nature in Aitmatov's novel. Today the word mankurt is often used by many nationals of republics of the former Soviet Union of Turkic kinship (Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, Tatarstan, Kazakhstan, etc.), with respect to their fellow citizens who don't care enough about the native language and native culture; e.g., speak only Russian. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mankurt------------------------- |
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