All the Khanates

[Atabeg]

So this is a verry simple quesyion(well not that simple because I don't have the awnser ;D )

After the colapase of the Great Mongol empire. the territories were devided in to a couple of smaller Khanates.

wich were these Khantes these are some I know

The Tatar Khanate of Crimea.
The Uzbek Khanate
Kazakh Khanate...

the list goes on but i would like a list of all the khanates and there periodes.(if it's not to much trouble ;D )

[BAWIR$AQ]

After the colapase of the Great Mongol empire. the territories were devided in to a couple of smaller Khanates

Obviously, after the collapse of the Great Mongol empire, Golden Horde, Chaghatay Khanate, Ilkhanate, and Yuan dynasty emerged.

Khanates of ex-Golden Horde you are talking about emerged later. Most of the dates are arguable.

And please do not try to give these khanates an "ethnic" flavor. For many centuries "Tatar", "Noghay", "Ozbek", and "Qazaq" were simply political terms, not ethnic ones. They became fully ethnic later.

These are the major khanates of ex-Golden Horde (Desht-i Qipchaq):

Noghay Horde (1390s - 1550s)
Qazan khanate (1438 - 1552)
Crimean khanate (1441 - 1783)
Astrakhan khanate (1460s - 1556)


Ozbek khanate - Urusid dynasty (1360s - 1428)
Ozbek khanate - Sheybanid dynasty (1428 - 1460s) later continued in Mawarannahr

In 1460s, Ozbeks of Sheybanid dynasty are driven out to Mawarannahr and the Urusid dynasty is re-established in Desht-i Qipchaq. Ozbeks of Desht-i Qipchaq under the Urusids are renamed into "Qazaqs".

Qazaq khanate - Urusid dynasty (1460s - 1847)

[kokturk]

So, Qazaq and Uzbek are the same people talking in different dialects (Qazaq in Kypchak, Uzbek in Qarluq) of Turkic.

[BAWIR$AQ]

kokturk said:

So, Qazaq and Uzbek are the same people talking in different dialects (Qazaq in Kypchak, Uzbek in Qarluq) of Turkic.

No. Both Qazaqs and Sheybanid Ozbeks are Qipchaq-speaking people.

In the 14-15th centuries "Ozbek" was a generic name for the nomad of Desht-i-Qipchaq.

In mid-15th century, Ozbeks of Desht-i-Qipchaq split into two factions: supporters of Urusid dynasty and supporters of Sheybanid dynasty.

Eventually, the latter ones were driven out to Mawarannahr. Ozbeks who supported Urusid dynasty remained in Desht-i Qipchaq and later became known as "Qazaqs". So, all of the Qazaqs were once called Ozbeks.

As for the Sheybanid Ozbeks, they migrated to Mawarannahr (today's Ozbekistan) and mixed with the local Iranian and Turko-Mongolic tribes. Today, all of these groups are known as "Ozbeks", but in fact the real Qipchaq-speaking Sheybanid Ozbeks are the minorty among the modern Ozbeks.


You can find more info here:
www.oxuscom.com/Uzbeks.pdf

The Uzbek nation has been formed of three ethnic layers: the urban population, the descendents of the pre-Shaibanid Turkic tribes, and the descendents of the Shaibanid Uzbek tribes.

The first layer is comprised of the indigenous Iranian population of the area who were subsequently turkified by the influx of Turkic tribes into the area in the first several centuries of our era. The presence of this element in the ethnic makeup of the Uzbeks has resulted in them actually being culturally closer to the Tajiks, who are of Persian stock, than to the other Turkic peoples of Central Asia.
Furthermore, physiologically, both the Tajiks and the Uzbeks are very similar in appearance.

The second layer of the Uzbek nation is comprised of those Mongol-Turkic peoples who lived in Transoxiana prior to the Shaibanid invasion in the fifteenth century.

The final layer is that of the Shaibanid Uzbeks.

The result of such an ethnic intermixture is that one can see a blending of both Persian (Caucasoid) and Asiatic (Mongoloid) features in most Uzbeks, although the tendency towards one or the other is more pronounced in certain areas.

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By this time, the Uzbeks had begun to mix with the previous inhabitants of the area, both Persian and Turkic, and many of these non-Uzbeks living in the area began to be called by the name "Uzbek" also.

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...further distinction was made between the nomadic and sedentary population of what is now Uzbekistan. The latter were called 'Sarts' by the Russians, a group which represented a "cross between the aboriginal Tadzhik (Iranian) inhabitants and their Uzbek (Turkic) conquerors,"27 whereas the former were referred to as Taze (pure) Uzbeks. The subsequent grouping together of all these elements into an Uzbek nation is primarily a phenomenon of the Soviet period. In general, it has been a successful strategy, and most inhabitants of Uzbekistan today identify themselves as Uzbeks, although there are still some who maintain their tribal identity, referring to themselves by such names as Kypchaks, Mangyts, Karluks or Lokays.

[Atabeg]

thank you verry much BAWIR$AQ shad

[BAWIR$AQ]

You're welcome!

I didn't mention White Horde and Blue Horde because they're still controversial: their geography, dates, rulers, and whether they were the same thing.

For example, Urus khan is frequently called a khan of the White Horde, but his people were called "Ozbeks", and his state was basically the same as the later state that is usually called Ozbek khanate of Sheybanids. But Deshti Ozbeks got their name during Urus khan, and, therefore, counting the history of Ozbek khanate from the later Sheybanid dynasty is wrong.

[Atabeg]

weren't the sheybanids the guys ruled the Sibir khanate?

[BAWIR$AQ]

ahiskali said:

weren't the sheybanids the guys ruled the Sibir khanate?

Two different branches Sheybanid dynasty ruled both Sibir khanate and Ozbek khanate in Deshti-Qipchaq.

[Temüjin]

there was also the Khanate Sibir under a Son of Jochi who was separate from the later Golden Horde.

anyone has information about this Khanate?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qasim_Khanate

[BAWIR$AQ]

temujin said:

there was also the Khanate Sibir under a Son of Jochi who was separate from the later Golden Horde.

Is it the same Sibir khanate that was mentioned by Atabeg above?

Sibir khanate under the Sheybanid dynasty was involved in the famous events of the Siberian colonization by Yermak and his Cossacks.

[Temüjin]

yes, Sibir Khanate is the one conquered by Yermak. Qazim Khanate seems to have been between Muscovy and Qazan.

[Tamr Shayban Iskeri]

Yrmak drown from the weight of his own armor near what is now Tobolsk. Kahn Kuchum re-took Sibir after that.
Kahn Kuchum was later defeated by a Russian soldier who's name I forget.

Tamr Shayban Iskeri

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

Greetings Tamr Shayban Iskeri, welcome aboard

[ALTAR]

Jul 23, 2008 4:49:42 GMT 3 Tamr Shayban Iskeri said:

Kahn Kuchum was later defeated by a Russian soldier who's name I forget.

Kuchum Khan was defeated by Yermak(Ermak) who was a Russian Cossack chief.

[Tamr Shayban Iskeri]

Yes it is true that "Kuchum Khan was defeated by Yermak(Ermak) who was a Russian Cossack chief."

Then Kahn Kuchum regrouped and re-took Tobolsk.

I don't know too much more about it but the village my wife grew up in outside of Tobolsk is where the battle took place in Ermak was wounded then drown in the river.

The landscape behind us is where that battle took place. After that Kahn Kuchum ruled until he was forced out of Tobolsk by another Tatar Kahn.

It was a battle with a Russian voivod that finaly destroyed Kahn Kuchum's army.

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