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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Oct 21, 2006 1:12:10 GMT 3
When was the name Qalmuq first used? When did it start to be used for the Oirats?
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Post by kokturk on Oct 21, 2006 1:20:05 GMT 3
I heard that Qalmuq was the name given by the neighbouring Altaic people, because they did not change their faith. The name is said to be derived from qal-, meaning "to sit, to resist" in Turkic.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Oct 21, 2006 1:25:56 GMT 3
Yes, that ethymology is accurate. If I remember correctly, the name was mentioned in some Timurid sources of the 15th century but I am not very sure  If so, were those 15th-century Qalmuqs the same with the Oirats? Or were they another people who were called with this name? |
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Oct 22, 2006 13:42:08 GMT 3
I heard that Qalmuq was the name given by the neighbouring Altaic people, because they did not change their faith. The name is said to be derived from qal-, meaning "to sit, to resist" in Turkic. No, "qal" means "to stay" in Turkic, as well as Anadolu. "Qalmaq" is the correct Turkic form, not Qalmuq. Qalmaqs call themselves " Khal'mg". |
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Post by Atabeg on Oct 22, 2006 16:17:13 GMT 3
I heard that Qalmuq was the name given by the neighbouring Altaic people, because they did not change their faith. The name is said to be derived from qal-, meaning "to sit, to resist" in Turkic. No, "qal" means "to stay" in Turkic, as well as Anadolu. "Qalmaq" is the correct Turkic form, not Qalmuq. Qalmaqs call themselves " Khal'mg". qalmaq or kalmak in anadolu means to stay(infinitive) so why did it become qalmuq |
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Oct 23, 2006 0:40:57 GMT 3
so why did it become qalmuq Bro, I have no idea where you got that spelling. Is that how Anadolu Turks call them? As far as I know, no one called them like that except of tsarist-era Europeans (French, Germans, etc.) - they used to call them "Calmouc" or "Calmuck". Turkic neighbors always called them "Qalmaq", Russians call them "Kamlyk" (that is Kalmık), and they call themselves "Khal'mg". |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Oct 23, 2006 0:54:27 GMT 3
In Modern Anatolian Turkish, it is Kalmuk; I do not know when it became like that |
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Oct 23, 2006 5:47:37 GMT 3
In Modern Anatolian Turkish, it is Kalmuk; I do not know when it became like that Most likely the spelling with "u" came from Europe. |
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Post by Bor Chono on Oct 25, 2006 16:05:32 GMT 3
Halha Mongols call word "Qalmuq" as "Halimag"
I guess member "Altaicmongol" is Halimag. ;D
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Post by kokturk on Oct 26, 2006 17:09:58 GMT 3
I heard that Qalmuq was the name given by the neighbouring Altaic people, because they did not change their faith. The name is said to be derived from qal-, meaning "to sit, to resist" in Turkic. No, "qal" means "to stay" in Turkic, as well as Anadolu. "Qalmaq" is the correct Turkic form, not Qalmuq. Qalmaqs call themselves " Khal'mg". My English is not very good. In Anatolian Turkish, otur- (to sit) can mean qal- (to stay). IMHO, we call them Qalmuq in Turkey, because we learnt their existence from teh Western guys. |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Oct 27, 2006 23:42:26 GMT 3
How are the Qalmuqs mentioned in 18th-19th century Ottoman sources?
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Post by balamir on Nov 29, 2006 13:37:03 GMT 3
Are Kalmuks Turkic?Or Mongolic?
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Post by Atabeg on Nov 30, 2006 0:16:19 GMT 3
Mongolian descent of oriats
just google or at least wiki for it
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 30, 2006 12:26:45 GMT 3
They are the descendents of Oirat Mongols.
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Nov 30, 2006 19:49:07 GMT 3
They are the descendents of Oirat Mongols. Qazaqs used to call all Oirats the same - "Qalmaq" - both Oirats (Dzungarians) in Dzungaria and Oirats (Kalmyks) in Volga-Ural. All our epics and historical accounts of Dzungarians refer to them as "Qalmaq". I believe that Turkic neighbors of Oirats did not make any distinction between the Oirats in Mongolia and Oirats in Europe. Today, Qazaqs informally call even the Turkic-speaking Altay-kiji people "Qalmaq", just because they joined Dzungarian khanate long time ago and they're still associated with them. |
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If so, were those 15th-century Qalmuqs the same with the Oirats? Or were they another people who were called with this name?
