Red Huns

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

A note: Black and Yellow were also colors of legitimacy. The main ruler line of descend was named Yellow (like Yellow Türgish, Yellow Uyghur, Yellow Turk as seen once in a relatively unknown Chinese record) while a dynasty which usurped power from this line was called Black (Black Türgish, Qara Khanids [Black Rulers]).

temujin said:

BTW this was not exclusively "Turkic", it was also used by Scythians already...

Hmm didn't know that, interesting.

[Temüjin]

mmh are you sure? weren't the European Huns called Black Huns?

[perszeusz]

Hmmm... that would make sense. The Hephthallites (White Huns) were bothering the Sassanian Empire in the West, and the Chionites/Kidarites (Red Huns) before the Whites, controlled about the same area, but they focused more in taking northern India (they were sucessful and eventually adopted many customs) than the Western area of Iran, or Iran itself, unlike the White Huns. Black Huns should be Attila's ones, as they were AFAIK the northernmost Huns. Then the "Blue Huns" could be the Gokturks? Maybe the Rouran?

[Temüjin]

perszeusz said:

Then the "Blue Huns" could be the Gokturks? Maybe the Rouran?

i also thought about this, especially because Gök means blue...

[perszeusz]

Interesting enough, the Ainu apparently had exactly the same color orientation, and these colors were used by other peoples, even in the Americas!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinal_direction#Cardinal_directions_in_world_cultures

[Temüjin]

fascinating...but why is the colour system of the Kalmyks and the Tibetans so messed up? even the Ainu one is identical to the original. and why does the Turkic line says N.A. for center, Turkic colour for center was also yellow/golden.

also, the Iranic colour system is missing...

[perszeusz]

I've just added the central color for the Turkic system. But do you know how was the Iranic system? I bet it's no different from the Turkic if the Scythians used it already...

[Temüjin]

sorry i have no idea how the Iranic system worked. from what i know it must have been more or less identical to the Turkish. i heard the names of the Black and Red sea come from the time of the Achaemenid Empire.