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Post by hjernespiser on Nov 22, 2008 21:24:24 GMT 3
That's because she is not a jew. She never converted.
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Post by ALTAR on Nov 23, 2008 2:13:43 GMT 3
Qarai(Qaraim)s of Lithunia, Ukraine and Crimea are descendants of Khazars. Their number has been heavily decreased day by day. Small part of them can talk their own language.
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Post by hjernespiser on Nov 24, 2008 1:24:14 GMT 3
That's the claim, a bit like Hungarians claiming to descend from Attila. While I respect that claim, I also am not putting any money on it. For one, the Karaims are Karaite Jews while the Khazars were Rabbinical Jews. A very good explanation for the difference would be required to settle the problematic issue that raises.
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Post by Temüjin on Nov 24, 2008 1:28:19 GMT 3
yeah i also heard the claim is unverified. just because they are Turkic and Jewish at the same time doesn't automatically make them Khazars.
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Post by hakuzari on Jan 4, 2009 14:40:54 GMT 3
after reading so many misconception about Judaism ,i guess i have to reply ,there is not such thing as a "judaist " ,in a sense of being something separated from Judaism ,a "judaist" is one who practice Judaism and in that sense...well...jewish.
Judaism is both a religion ,cloture ,and an ethnic group ,when one converts into the religion he becomes a member of the Jewish nation.
the khazars of course where not of Jewish origin but Turkish ,in the 8th century ,the khazar elite did converted into Judaism ,partly due to the fact that it tried staying Independence in front of the two major powers of the time ,the Abbasid Caliphate and the byzantine empire ,converting ether to Islam or Christianity would submit the khazars to one of those power centers ,choosing Judaism was mainly a political choice.
most of the common people practiced Turkish shamansim ,Islam ,Christianity or sincritism ,the khazar empire was known for it pluralism ,and religious tolerance ,that we may learn from these days.
and no. karaites do not burn Talmud books on yom kipur. but unestablished folklore is always fun...
Allaha ýsmarladýk
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Post by hjernespiser on Jan 5, 2009 1:00:46 GMT 3
Hakuzari,
Would you consider Madonna to have converted?
I respect that in other parts of the world the Jews are considered an ethnic group, but like I said, in the US there is no such recognition. There is no checkbox for "Jew" on the US Census form. A person could write in "Jew" if they really felt passionately about identifying their race as such, but then they just get lumped under "Other" in the statistics.
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Post by hakuzari on Jan 5, 2009 4:49:34 GMT 3
since im not that familiar with pop cloture ,nor with the personal life of Madonna , i could not say wither she had converted into Judaism ,but as far as i know she hasn't ,and seemingly practicing only kabala ,which is the Jewish mystical teachings ,and as far as i see it ,a very narrow section of it ,linked to what we can see as a part of the new age movement ,which offers a shallow approach to culture ,religion and etc..
i dont think you could practice kabala with out converting into Judaism ,like you could not practice Sufism with out saying the shahada first ,but people do practice "Sufism" ,its all a part of the new age tendency to take what ever you want form the great supermarket of beliefs and religions with out any commitment to it.
I'm not pretense to be an expert of the Jewish lore nor the American criterion of religious definitions ,but as far as i know and understand ,and although the Jewish people is not homogenize due to many many different elements assimilated into it ,by inter marriage ,rapes and conversions ,which all accrued massively throughout the centuries , it still has a distinctive genetic heritage ,proved by studies of mtochondrial DNA ,and even if not do ,the Jewish people are a nation of it own ,somewhat like the druze of the middle east ,who may have different national loyalty ,but are firstly by cloture and religion ,druze.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Dec 14, 2009 18:56:36 GMT 3
Hahaha that's just nonsense from a white racist website ;D ;D
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Post by sarmat on Dec 14, 2009 19:50:49 GMT 3
Yeah, disgusting BS. Asparuh pleas do not post such things again here.
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Post by Asparuh on Dec 16, 2009 2:49:31 GMT 3
Ok,.It's deleted.This internet is full of such things.
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Post by Asparuh on Dec 16, 2009 3:48:00 GMT 3
Ok,Something better now.Images of some Khazar warriors.It's really hard to find such materials. Attachments:
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Post by Asparuh on Dec 16, 2009 3:48:53 GMT 3
Pic n.2 Attachments:
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Post by Asparuh on Dec 16, 2009 3:53:08 GMT 3
Pic n.3 Attachments:
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Dec 16, 2009 20:00:02 GMT 3
Now that's good
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Post by Asparuh on Dec 21, 2009 20:33:35 GMT 3
Ok !
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