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Post by benzin on Feb 5, 2011 12:48:13 GMT 3
Here is the only longer Cuman language script we have, wich is a christian prayer. Does anyone understands it ?
Bezen attamaz kenze kikte
szen lészen szen adon
dösön szen küklön
nitziengen gerde ali kikte
bezen akomezne oknemezne
bergezge pitbütör küngön
ill bezen menemezne
neszen bezde jermez
berge utrogergene
illme bezne algyamanna
kutkor bezne algyamanna
szen börsön boka csalli
batson igye tengria.
Ámen
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Feb 7, 2011 2:31:08 GMT 3
The Hungarian transcription makes it very hard to figure out the original Cuman version but yes, it is partially understandable.
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Post by hjernespiser on Feb 7, 2011 8:05:05 GMT 3
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Post by subuatai on Feb 7, 2011 20:28:31 GMT 3
So do you know what they called the "Confederation" then? |
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Kypchak
Feb 14, 2011 19:31:49 GMT 3
Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Feb 14, 2011 19:31:49 GMT 3
We, or at least I don't know it, but you can use that term I created.
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Kypchak
Apr 11, 2011 18:26:29 GMT 3
Post by boztorgaikhan on Apr 11, 2011 18:26:29 GMT 3
Hi to the All NikeBG writed about me here in 2010 so that I see, Now i'am here. what want you know about Kipchaks ask me  I'am a Crimean-Tatar and Historian about Ural-Altaic peoples |
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Kypchak
Apr 11, 2011 18:30:57 GMT 3
Post by boztorgaikhan on Apr 11, 2011 18:30:57 GMT 3
a little information about Kipchaks:
The Kimeks were ruled by a "Kagan, alco called "Khakan" in the eastern records, not of the Ashina dynasty. In the 10th and 11th centuries the ruling clan was Tatar Kimek. Later they appear to have been ruled by the Ilbari (Ilburi) clan.
During the 10th century the Kipchaks became independent within the Kaganate (if they were ever dependent in the first place), and began migrating westward. The zenith of Kimak power came under the Ilburi rulers near the end of the 12th century. In 1183, the Kimaks attacked Volga Bulgaria, and they twice sacked Khwarezm, in the 1152 and 1197.
is it here in Forum only in English or too in Turkish and Tatars ?
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Kypchak
Apr 11, 2011 19:24:26 GMT 3
Post by hjernespiser on Apr 11, 2011 19:24:26 GMT 3
Hi boztorgaikhan,
Welcome aboard! The policy is English-only due to ProBoards Terms of Service...
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Kypchak
Apr 11, 2011 20:01:20 GMT 3
Post by boztorgaikhan on Apr 11, 2011 20:01:20 GMT 3
Hi boztorgaikhan, Welcome aboard! The policy is English-only due to ProBoards Terms of Service... Hi, hjernespiser. Thank You.. Okay, I Write then only in English  |
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Kypchak
Apr 13, 2011 15:19:24 GMT 3
Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Apr 13, 2011 15:19:24 GMT 3
Actually, I have been recently informed that Non-English languages are now allowed in Proboards, so we are lifting the ban now |
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Kypchak
Apr 13, 2011 17:06:00 GMT 3
Post by boztorgaikhan on Apr 13, 2011 17:06:00 GMT 3
Actually, I have been recently informed that Non-English languages are now allowed in Proboards, so we are lifting the ban now Nice, I wroted there |
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Kypchak
Apr 13, 2011 20:12:32 GMT 3
Post by hjernespiser on Apr 13, 2011 20:12:32 GMT 3
Thanks to boztorgaikhan for asking the question.
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Kypchak
Apr 13, 2011 20:28:36 GMT 3
Post by boztorgaikhan on Apr 13, 2011 20:28:36 GMT 3
You are Welcome Brother its nice Forum here for all Steppe people Ural-Altaic peoples So i can read and update my theories and informations what i founded here so that everyone can know about Ural-Altaic peoples in BC and AD centuries and today and learn languages etc more... btw: about Kipchaks i posted in future a great information here |
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Kypchak
Jul 22, 2011 16:03:45 GMT 3
Post by Atabeg on Jul 22, 2011 16:03:45 GMT 3
I'm not an expert on Western Steppe peoples, but I can figure out the original forms of some of the tribes you mentioned: Urosoba: Urus might be representing the geographical region Russia, because we know that Turco-Mongol peoples usually pronounced the name Rus' as Urus or Orus. Oba is a well-known Turkic name used for clans and groups of nomads living in felt tents. Kay: Qay is the name used for Islamic sources for a Mongolic people known from Chinese sources as Ku-mo-xi 庫莫奚 / Xi 奚 and from Turkic inscriptions as Tatabï. However, I'm not sure if the Kay among the Cumans were the same with the Qay people living very east of them (and I mean, really very east). Terteroba: Here again I tend see the name of a famous steppe people living very east, the Tatars. I'm also not sure if the Terteroba of the Cumans had anything to do with the Tatar people living in eastern Mongolia at that time. Burdjogli & Itogli: Itogli is clearly Itoġlï which means "Son of Dog". From this name, I can suggest that Burdjogli might be a corrupted form of Börioġlï meaning "Son of Wolf". Begbars: This is the correct form; it means "Lord Tiger". Kochoba: Qočoba (Kochoba) means "Ram Clan". Karach: This might have something to do with the Turkic word Qara meaning "Black". Toksoba: This is most probably Toquz Oba meaning "Nine Clans". Etioba: I'm not sure, but maybe this might be Itoba meaning "Dog Clan". my grandparents accualy still say Urus in stead of Rus. When somebody eats realy fast they say 'yavas ye urus gelmiyor arkandan' eat slowly the russians arent chasing you  |
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Kypchak
Jul 23, 2011 22:28:44 GMT 3
Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jul 23, 2011 22:28:44 GMT 3
lol In Turkic languages, there is a general rule that words can not begin with some certain letters/sounds, including R. That's why foreign names and words that start with R are usually used with an U or I in the beginning (same goes for S too). |
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