Hungarians

[Verinen Paroni]

Having in mind that you so freely allow the manifastation of Nazi propaganda- on whatever level that is-, examplified here in this forum by the person of the finn verinenparoni, see the source of his avatar or his witty posts.

I'm not here to spread "Nazipropaganda", I just don't afraid to tell my own views. I don't spread any propaganda here and show post where I have spread those?

And my avatar is Idel-Ural SS - shield, and why I cannot admire men who fought for their own freedom? (Finnic and Turkic).

[horka]

verinenparoni said:

Having in mind that you so freely allow the manifastation of Nazi propaganda- on whatever level that is-, examplified here in this forum by the person of the finn verinenparoni, see the source of his avatar or his witty posts.

I'm not here to spread "Nazipropaganda", I just don't afraid to tell my own views. I don't spread any propaganda here and show post where I have spread those?

And my avatar is Idel-Ural SS - shield, and why I cannot admire men who fought for their own freedom? (Finnic and Turkic).

The Nazi Germans served their own interest, not the interest of
Finnic or Turkic people.
You just have to visit the pages of Stormfront to realize for them any steppe people to use their own vocabulary is an "undermensch".
Their view does not include the Turanic views.
The interest of German were to use any local people who were
against the Soviet Union. It was a good strategical options.
But do you know about their post war plans?

An extract of your thinking. This is called fabricating collective guilt.
On this basis you find acceptable the mass murder.

That terror was not against Mongolian people, but against harmful minorities like jews, chinese.

steppes.proboards23.com/index.cgi?board=board12&action=display&thread=1155990115&page=3

[horka]

temujin said:

horka said:

My friend Yazig is a term used for Iasians (in hungarian Jász) who were settled down in Hungary with Cumans in the XIII. century.
These people became Hungarians. Székely were Hungarians back then and also they are hungarians now.

In the 19th century these were not minorites because they were also Hungarians.

A good book on them is:
András Paloczi-Horváth, Pechenegs, Cumans, Iasians: Steppe People in Medieval Hungary. Budapest: Corvina/Kultura, 1989

what exactly is the origin of those Iasians then?

As I said they were settled down with Kumans. They were
associated with Kumans. Some call them Yazig which is simmilar
to the name of some ancient iranian (indo-european) tribe.
On this basis some presume their iranian origin.
Historyians regard them turkic, probably a kumanian tribe.

As a moderator please express your point of view regarding
the 'issue' put forward here.

[Verinen Paroni]

horka said:

verinenparoni said:

I'm not here to spread "Nazipropaganda", I just don't afraid to tell my own views. I don't spread any propaganda here and show post where I have spread those?

And my avatar is Idel-Ural SS - shield, and why I cannot admire men who fought for their own freedom? (Finnic and Turkic).

The Nazi Germans served their own interest, not the interest of
Finnic or Turkic people.
You just have to visit the pages of Stormfront to realize for them any steppe people to use their own vocabulary is an "undermensch".
Their view does not include the Turanic views.
The interest of German were to use any local people who were
against the Soviet Union. It was a good strategical options.
But do you know about their post war plans?

An extract of your thinking. This is called fabricating collective guilt.
On this basis you find acceptable the mass murder.

That terror was not against Mongolian people, but against harmful minorities like jews, chinese.

steppes.proboards23.com/index.cgi?board=board12&action=display&thread=1155990115&page=3

Well, III Reich's interests were not against OUR interests. Remember what soviets did to us.

Last time: Stormfront is not National Socialist site, but group of stupid rednecks who follow stupid american-based ideology.

Tell me their post-war plans? History called that era is not so objective as you think.

Truth is that one country during WWII planned total genocide of Finns, and that was not Germany.

[horka]

verinenparoni said:

horka said:

The Nazi Germans served their own interest, not the interest of
Finnic or Turkic people.
You just have to visit the pages of Stormfront to realize for them any steppe people to use their own vocabulary is an "undermensch".
Their view does not include the Turanic views.
The interest of German were to use any local people who were
against the Soviet Union. It was a good strategical options.
But do you know about their post war plans?

An extract of your thinking. This is called fabricating collective guilt.
On this basis you find acceptable the mass murder.


steppes.proboards23.com/index.cgi?board=board12&action=display&thread=1155990115&page=3

Well, III Reich's interests were not against OUR interests. Remember what soviets did to us.

Last time: Stormfront is not National Socialist site, but group of stupid rednecks who follow stupid american-based ideology.

Tell me their post-war plans? History called that era is not so objective as you think.

Truth is that one country during WWII planned total genocide of Finns, and that was not Germany.

You are wrong.
In the case of Nazi victory the final solution would have been in it's
place. Eliminating all those considered subhuman. Of course they
would have allowed the existance of slaves (slavs,finno-ugrics and so one).
In this kind of New World Order if you would had the luck or unlock
to be born you were probably a slave. ;D
Finland of course would had a german governor. ;D

[Verinen Paroni]

horka said:

verinenparoni said:

Well, III Reich's interests were not against OUR interests. Remember what soviets did to us.

Last time: Stormfront is not National Socialist site, but group of stupid rednecks who follow stupid american-based ideology.

Tell me their post-war plans? History called that era is not so objective as you think.

Truth is that one country during WWII planned total genocide of Finns, and that was not Germany.

You are wrong.
In the case of Nazi victory the final solution would have been in it's
place. Eliminating all those considered subhuman. Of course they
would have allowed the existance of slaves (slavs,finno-ugrics and so one).
In this kind of New World Order if you would had the luck or unlock
to be born you were probably a slave. ;D
Finland of course would had a german governor. ;D

;D I have not laughed so much for weeks...

Have you any serious evidences of that this was their post-war plan?

I wonder how many people here really believes to that ridiculous theory...

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

I do believe that because it exactly fits the Nazi views.

No one can defend Nazism, Fascism or any other ideology in this site guys, remember. This place is not for politics.

[raapi]

verinenparoni said:

What you think about Hungarians nowadays?

I believe that many of them are germanic or slavic origin.

Genetic researches showed that Csangos and Székelys (Magyar-related tribes in Transsylvania) have strong genetical-connections to Finnics and Northern-Turkics, but Hungarians are mainly genetically european.

Is that so? Well I don't put too much stock in the origin of the blood that flows in our veins. To me, you are what your heart tells you you are. A Hungarian will see himself proudly as a Hungarian, being told he is genetically a German or Slav cannot change what he has been brought up with.

Although I find ethnic links interesting I do not - like I mentioned - give them all that importance. Got any info on Hungarian genetic studies?

[horka]

raapi said:

verinenparoni said:

What you think about Hungarians nowadays?

I believe that many of them are germanic or slavic origin.

Genetic researches showed that Csangos and Székelys (Magyar-related tribes in Transsylvania) have strong genetical-connections to Finnics and Northern-Turkics, but Hungarians are mainly genetically european.

Is that so? Well I don't put too much stock in the origin of the blood that flows in our veins. To me, you are what your heart tells you you are. A Hungarian will see himself proudly as a Hungarian, being told he is genetically a German or Slav cannot change what he has been brought up with.

Although I find ethnic links interesting I do not - like I mentioned - give them all that importance. Got any info on Hungarian genetic studies?

You can check out the following post:
The hungarian man - A magyar ember

Genetical studies showed that Hungarians are not related to finno-ugrics. These studies have been published in english. (Also in the Science magazine ). Some genetical resemblance was found
in the case of csangos but not enough to conclude any genetical relationship with the Finns. In the studies all the finno-ugric people were checked. The Finnish counterpart was represented by professor Savantaus from the university of Turku ,according to a bilateral agreement of Hungary and Finland.
These studies were supported by Turkish, Italian, Hungarian, Finnish governments.

Also the studies shows that the genetic relationship with turkic people is highly probable.

The bottom line of this studies is that Hungarians are not related to
Finno-ugrics. Finno-ugrism is just a linguistic theory.
Volt egyszer egy finnugor�

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

Interesting thread.

[Verinen Paroni]

Well, many genetical researches shows that Hungarians are related to Central-Europeans, so naturally you are not related with us then. ;D

[Temüjin]

i do not believe in genetical research anyways, genetics are not restricted to political boundaries and people interbred often, even in times of peace and especially noblemen.

[Verinen Paroni]

I believe to genetic researches. Some genes, like TAT-C are dominant, so per cent of those genes in nation can tell alot...

Tat-C Frequencies :


Yakuts..........87%
Eskimos.........61%
Chukchi.........58%
Finns...........55%
Buryats.........52%
Tofalars........47%
Lithuanians.....47%
Lapps...........42%

[kruszmagyar]

I have Hungarian ancestry, and my ancestors look very Turkic, with dark skin, black hair and high cheekbones. However, there are also many Hungarians who are of European origin, even if they have a Magyar name. I think the rural Hungarians, farmers/shepherds etc. are the descendants of the Magyars, at least judging from appearance, folklore and music.

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

Hello Kruszmagyar, welcome to SHF!