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Post by Asparuh on Feb 18, 2009 2:48:29 GMT 3
It's really dificult to find out everything about the Bulgarian culture. The name bulgarians dates from more than 2000 years.It is very possible that we have common origins as the ancient turks. Here is image i found of turkish warriors :
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Post by Asparuh on Feb 18, 2009 2:55:44 GMT 3
Bulgaria is former European union member from 2007 and a member of OTAN and UNESCO
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Post by Asparuh on Feb 18, 2009 3:04:39 GMT 3
Here are the warriors of the steppe nations which helped Bulgaria in the war campains against Vyzantine Empire. The Cumans and the Pechenegs.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Feb 18, 2009 3:32:30 GMT 3
Nice pictures Very interesting. The Legend of Oġuz Qaġan, first written in Old Uyġur in the 13th century, has the same story featuring the legendary Turkic emperor Oġuz Qaġan and his six sons. Similarly, according to the Secret History of Mongols, Činggis Qan (Genghis Khan) gave such a speech to his commanders before one of his major battles he fought in Mongolia. Another similar version can be found at the Inscriptions of Tonyuquq (dated around 725) written in Old Turkic, located at Bayancogt (Bayantsogt, east of Ulaanbaatar); here, Tonyuquq gives an example with thin sheet of dough (instead of arrows, but the point of the story is the same). Oh well, modern Bulgarian is surely a Southern Slavic language, while Old Bulgarian inscriptions have Old Western Turkic vocabulary, plus the Chuvash still speak that language. Plus, there were surely no Bulgarians who attacked China (I know that some Bulgarians claim the Huns to be their ancestors, and thus try to claim the Bulgarianness of Asian and European Huns), while Darius III fought with Scythians, not Bulgarians. I know, I visited Sofia just a month after Bulgaria entered the EU ;D
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Post by Asparuh on Feb 18, 2009 17:26:00 GMT 3
Great ! So maybe we really have something to do with the ancient turks.It´s a lot of Theories. In the comusim era in Bulgaria there was the common origin that we are Turk-Altaic peoples. Not long ago a team of two sientist made a journey of 30 000 km across Asia and Russia to follow the tracks of our ancestors and they found a lot of objects which proove that we lived in Central Asia before.They are nations today which speak old bulgarian dialect like the Chuvashs. They made a movie called -The Bulgarians www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbDWxVHX2oEI´ll keep updating my posts here. Bye!
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Post by Asparuh on Feb 18, 2009 17:36:21 GMT 3
Ok, Yes i´m agree Ihsan. Sometimes in the books the stories are not always truth and i don´t know whether to believe them ot not. So we stick to the western steppes and present Bulgaria for now.Otherwise going back in the history hides too many quiestions. Actually i did watch the movie Alexander the Great and i saw the scythians fighting next to the persians there. They does remind me a lot of the bulgar warriors. Is it possible that we share same roots as the scythians? Many scientist says that it is. Our origin is to be refered of Scythians or Sarmatians. Bulgarians were famous for their horse cavalry and the surpising speed attacks of the enemy in the past. And also we were born and die on a horse. Isn´t that the same traditions as the Scyths ?
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Feb 18, 2009 18:34:30 GMT 3
Very nice Chuvash is the only real survivor of this Old Western or R-Dialect of Turkic. However, since the Magyars lived close to the Onogurs or Volga Bulgars, they borrowed a lot of Turkic words from this dialect and had some words survive that way. Well, not just the Scythians, but all the horseback-riding steppe nomads were like that Just check the main page of this forum and you will see a big number of many different peoples who had similar lifestyles.
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Post by Asparuh on Feb 19, 2009 1:05:13 GMT 3
Hi,this is image of Khan Krum. One of the most succesfull Bulgarian leaders and comanders in the past. He fought against the Avars and defeated them in 805. The Avars were pressed from both sides. On the left flank from the Franks and on the right from the Bulgars. Another succesful victory he won against the Vyzantine Empire. In the siege of Balkan mountains in 811 Empreror Nikephoros 1 was killed and from his skull Khan Krum made ritual glass to drink wine.This is an old scythian tradition.
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Post by hjernespiser on Feb 19, 2009 2:23:40 GMT 3
I noticed the hairstyle of the figure in the lower right-hand corner of this drawing. I read somewhere that this hairstyle could be attributed to a Jewish hairstyle adopted by the Khazars. There's a carving somewhere that shows this hairstyle being worn and the figures were identified as Khazars.
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Post by arnewise12 on Feb 19, 2009 2:36:29 GMT 3
Do I get the the info whenether the bulgarians are indo-european or turkic, do I get that if i read all the posts
how much , do the whole language compress of turkic words or ?
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Post by hjernespiser on Feb 19, 2009 7:40:14 GMT 3
On the hairstyle, the carving is actually some ornamentation on a drinking horn found in a Slavic burial, Chernaya Mogila, Chernigov Ukraine. It was interpreted as a Rus warrior chasing a Khazar. mek.niif.hu/01900/01993/html/index478.html
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Feb 19, 2009 14:16:14 GMT 3
The Huns in the east also had it. It's not just a Scythian tradition, but steppe-wide Why don't you read all the posts?
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Post by sarmat on Feb 19, 2009 21:24:10 GMT 3
Another succesful victory he won against the Vyzantine Empire. In the siege of Balkan mountains in 811 Empreror Nikephoros 1 was killed and from his skull Khan Krum made ritual glass to drink wine.This is an old scythian tradition. This tradition was popular among Turkic nomades as well. There is a famous story from the Ancient Russian chronicle about the warlike Rus prince Sviatoslav (the one that destroyed Khazar Khaganate) who was killed by Pechenegs and later Pecheneg Khan Kuria made a bowl from his skull, saying that the people who drink from that bowl would be able to obtain Sviatoslav's power.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Feb 20, 2009 15:06:20 GMT 3
Ah, I had been searching for the exact reason behind this tradition, thanx a lot
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Post by Asparuh on Feb 22, 2009 0:16:15 GMT 3
Hello, I was just doing a bit more of research refering to Khan Kubrat times.At these times the 6-7 century,After his death,probably the decision of his sons to split was the only possible answer. Because Bulgarian had to fight on two fronts. On the west with the Avar Khanate and on the east with the new uprising power - The khazars.On the south it was the Vyzantine Empire. So ,actually maybe what they did was right,because otherwise they would have been anichilated or the bulgar nation would have been reduced to a small number. Bulgars managed to survive and later destroyed the Avar khanate,as i wroted before. This once again prooves the unbeatable spirit of the Bulgars !
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