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Post by Saran on Feb 12, 2007 3:55:39 GMT 3
Giving Chinese right to bake their moon cake itself is a cruelty and discrimination. In Yuan Empire, Mongol ruler underlined 4 classes, First class:Mongol; second, colored eye(Persian, Turk and Europeans) ;third class:Northern Chinese;fourth class:Southern Chinese. After Mongol took the regime, massacre had never been stopped. When Yuan was established, Chinese population is 300 millions, but at the middle of the Yuan dynasty, only 30 million left. According to broad survey, half of death tolls were resulted from Mongol suppression, and another half come from natural disaster. Our Mongol must learn something of ruling a country well from manchu Empire.when Manchu EIGHT Banner took the regime, they faced the same problems that Mongol Emperor had faced 300 years ago. At first, they force all Chinese to cut their hair and made pigtail of Manchu style. Manchu rulers gave a death order( if you cut your hair, your head would be saved, and if you don't cut your hair, your head would be cut off). Chinese certainly can't accept this decree, but they finally accepted it after millions were butchered. To this point, I have to say Manchu Rulers did very well, because they successfully force Chinese to accept Manchurian as the descent ruler of Chinese Empire, secondly they converted Chinese wearing style to Manchurian style, Manchu Ruler devoted themselves to learn Chinese language, calligraphy, as well as their custom which are very important to rule Chinese. After decades bloody massacre and suppression, Manchu ruler bagan to exert Mercy rule to appease the anger of Chinese peoples. But let,s look at Mongol ruler, they did bad in running a government, not only in China, but also in Persia, Russia, as well in Central Asia. What they brought to those region are mass destruction on economy, and reduction on population. As far as I,m concerned, if we want to rebuild strong Mongol, we must learn something from Ottman Turkish Empire, and Manchu Empire, esp Ottman Empire, this Empire last more than 600 years. But Mongol Empire last 93 years in China. Hmmmm, sounds like a Chinese speaking?
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Post by temur on Feb 12, 2007 15:33:43 GMT 3
Some Moghul rulers thought that they are more Turks than Mongols. To some extent, you can't equal Mongol to Moghul even though they have blood connection. Moghul is not a 100% Mongol Empire! In terms of assimilation, this phenomenon happened not only in China but also in Persia, Turk, neally all Mongols were converted to true Muslim and to Turkish ppls. I think it,s very hard to find a people who dare to say I,m a Mongol in India. Yup, neally all Manchu ppls have been assimilated to Chinese society, and more and more Mongol are becaming happy to accept Chinese and their culture. In fact, Turkish peoples are facing the same problems that Mongols are facing. Many Turkish ppl were brought up in western world, for example, some young soccer players of Turkey national team were brought up in Germany, they even can't speak mother language, but they have a warm heart to serve for their country and win great honor for their peoples. We can't blame them and their parents because they have right to earn much more money than they do in their mother land and let their children to receive better education. Plus, I know that Turkey is doing hard to join European Union, this government decision have been hotly discussed in Turkish society, many preserved Muslim believers strongly opposed Tukish entry to EU, because they believed that after many new ideas and advanced things of western world enter their realm, the purity of Muslim would more or less affected by those things. But let's look at reality, in fact, no one can stop the pace of Turkey entering in to EU! I,m also certan that even Turkey successfully enters EU, their faith and identity will be preserved for ever. Mongols, such as me, who live in China just want to learn their advanced culture and technics on making business, but they never show any signs to subject to them. We have warm heart toward our mother land, and are willing to win great honor to our ppls, just like Tukish soccer players who were brought up in Germany. Manchu were actually bad rulers, they eventually got completely assimilated by Chinese, today there are only few true Manchu left, but many Mongols (but still decreasing because of Chinese). Moghuls were also very sucessfull until Aurangzeb descided on his extremist Muslim policy and his Hindu subjects rebelled and let to general disintegration and decline.
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Post by temur on Feb 12, 2007 15:37:29 GMT 3
Chinese Song Empire built Beijing city, but Manchu(Jing) empire built it as capital. Who do you think built Bejin
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Post by temur on Feb 12, 2007 15:38:20 GMT 3
Dear gal, Which sentence looks like Chinese speaking Giving Chinese right to bake their moon cake itself is a cruelty and discrimination. In Yuan Empire, Mongol ruler underlined 4 classes, First class:Mongol; second, colored eye(Persian, Turk and Europeans) ;third class:Northern Chinese;fourth class:Southern Chinese. After Mongol took the regime, massacre had never been stopped. When Yuan was established, Chinese population is 300 millions, but at the middle of the Yuan dynasty, only 30 million left. According to broad survey, half of death tolls were resulted from Mongol suppression, and another half come from natural disaster. Our Mongol must learn something of ruling a country well from manchu Empire.when Manchu EIGHT Banner took the regime, they faced the same problems that Mongol Emperor had faced 300 years ago. At first, they force all Chinese to cut their hair and made pigtail of Manchu style. Manchu rulers gave a death order( if you cut your hair, your head would be saved, and if you don't cut your hair, your head would be cut off). Chinese certainly can't accept this decree, but they finally accepted it after millions were butchered. To this point, I have to say Manchu Rulers did very well, because they successfully force Chinese to accept Manchurian as the descent ruler of Chinese Empire, secondly they converted Chinese wearing style to Manchurian style, Manchu Ruler devoted themselves to learn Chinese language, calligraphy, as well as their custom which are very important to rule Chinese. After decades bloody massacre and suppression, Manchu ruler bagan to exert Mercy rule to appease the anger of Chinese peoples. But let,s look at Mongol ruler, they did bad in running a government, not only in China, but also in Persia, Russia, as well in Central Asia. What they brought to those region are mass destruction on economy, and reduction on population. As far as I,m concerned, if we want to rebuild strong Mongol, we must learn something from Ottman Turkish Empire, and Manchu Empire, esp Ottman Empire, this Empire last more than 600 years. But Mongol Empire last 93 years in China. Hmmmm, sounds like a Chinese speaking?
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Post by temur on Feb 12, 2007 16:03:48 GMT 3
Plus, I ,m a Mongol, and don't need to pretentd to be a Mongol. What can I earn from pretending a Mongol, and what benefit can I made from rebulding Mongol Empire and eliminating poverty in Mongolia. If I,m a Chinese, I can say ok ,Rep of Mongolia is the strongest and richest country of the world, and Mongols did very well in economy. But I have to disappoint you, I have to tell the truth. Frankly speaking, certain number extreme and aggressive Chinese want to integrate Mongolia into their so-called great Chinese Empire . When I heard it I was really scared------ and it,s my first time was scared. I was scared by Chinese strong power in economy, education, as well as their insurging buiding-up of military power. History has proved a law that aggressive people always take all, in other words, that certain numbers of aggressive Chinese peoples probably take the government. If they take the government, how our Mongol face them. Do you think, hot nationalism, bad equipment, and poor military deposit does work. Dear gal, Which sentence looks like Chinese speaking Hmmmm, sounds like a Chinese speaking?
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Post by Atabeg on Feb 12, 2007 18:45:20 GMT 3
Plus, I ,m a Mongol, and don't need to pretentd to be a Mongol. What can I earn from pretending a Mongol, and what benefit can I made from rebulding Mongol Empire and eliminating poverty in Mongolia. If I,m a Chinese, I can say ok ,Rep of Mongolia is the strongest and richest country of the world, and Mongols did very well in economy. But I have to disappoint you, I have to tell the truth. Frankly speaking, certain number extreme and aggressive Chinese want to integrate Mongolia into their so-called great Chinese Empire . When I heard it I was really scared------ and it,s my first time was scared. I was scared by Chinese strong power in economy, education, as well as their insurging buiding-up of military power. History has proved a law that aggressive people always take all, in other words, that certain numbers of aggressive Chinese peoples probably take the government. If they take the government, how our Mongol face them. Do you think, hot nationalism, bad equipment, and poor military deposit does work. Dear gal, Which sentence looks like Chinese speaking all you know about mongolians cpùes from chinese text books so ..... cut the crap If you want or not. Before I knew about the Mongols I was thauth at school that they were just barbarians without culture and onnly brought destruction I live in Europe so thats natural
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Post by Atabeg on Feb 12, 2007 18:46:55 GMT 3
Chinese Song Empire built Beijing city, but Manchu(Jing) empire built it as capital. Who do you think built Bejin Kubilai khan moved the Capital from Kharakorum to Bejin and laid the foundations of modern chinas capital
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Post by Saran on Feb 13, 2007 5:30:00 GMT 3
all you know about mongolians cpùes from chinese text books so ..... cut the crap If you want or not. And he sees all things from a Chinese perspective
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Post by Bor Chono on Feb 13, 2007 6:39:45 GMT 3
During Tsagaan sar & wedding Mongol`s main table decor is "Uuts" I don`t know how tell it I`ll just show U : ;D
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Feb 13, 2007 6:49:39 GMT 3
I don`t know how tell it I`ll just show U Uuts is sheep’s back and tail. The fatter the tail the better. ))
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Post by temur on Feb 13, 2007 13:09:24 GMT 3
You are wrong, I don't need to learn something on Mongol. Because there are so many Mongols live around me! I read many a book on Mongolian history, certainly not only in Chinese version, but also in western version. If I can speak Tukish, I,m kind of being interested in reading books of Turkish version. You are one of leaders in here, I have repeated my advices on you many times, but you never pay attention on it. And I have to repeat it again, pls support your point of view with strong evidence, and pls don't evade any question I give to you, and pls don't speak childish words when you can't find a words to sipport your ideas, you must learn to respect others and yourself. We must respect solemnity of this forum, and if you want to quarrel with me, pls don't hidde your feeling, you can sent private message to me and attck me through it. Plus, I ,m a Mongol, and don't need to pretentd to be a Mongol. What can I earn from pretending a Mongol, and what benefit can I made from rebulding Mongol Empire and eliminating poverty in Mongolia. If I,m a Chinese, I can say ok ,Rep of Mongolia is the strongest and richest country of the world, and Mongols did very well in economy. But I have to disappoint you, I have to tell the truth. Frankly speaking, certain number extreme and aggressive Chinese want to integrate Mongolia into their so-called great Chinese Empire . When I heard it I was really scared------ and it,s my first time was scared. I was scared by Chinese strong power in economy, education, as well as their insurging buiding-up of military power. History has proved a law that aggressive people always take all, in other words, that certain numbers of aggressive Chinese peoples probably take the government. If they take the government, how our Mongol face them. Do you think, hot nationalism, bad equipment, and poor military deposit does work. all you know about mongolians cpùes from chinese text books so ..... cut the crap If you want or not. Before I knew about the Mongols I was thauth at school that they were just barbarians without culture and onnly brought destruction I live in Europe so thats natural
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Post by temur on Feb 13, 2007 13:14:12 GMT 3
Kunilai Khan built great palace on the relics of Jing Empire. Yuan Empire is the second Empire to buld capital in Beijing. Chinese Song Empire built Beijing city, but Manchu(Jing) empire built it as capital. Kubilai khan moved the Capital from Kharakorum to Bejin and laid the foundations of modern chinas capital
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Post by temur on Feb 13, 2007 13:21:14 GMT 3
You are right, I see things from Chinese perspective. Chinese perspective made me reasonable when I meet difficult problems, or hold unbiased eye when I meet extreme things and ppls. And you have to tell me what,s wrong in my "Chinese perspectives". You have to give a reason. all you know about mongolians cpùes from chinese text books so ..... cut the crap If you want or not. And he sees all things from a Chinese perspective
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Post by temur on Feb 13, 2007 13:48:34 GMT 3
But my Chinese history book never gave biased insight on every historical issues, include the history of Turkey, Europe, and Latin America. It just tell the events, and important historical figures, and never made individual feeling comments on it. I think there is nothing wrong on it. For example,the words of my chinese history books on Mongol Empire, give two sides of this Empire, namely, bright side and black saide. According to universal law, everything has it's black and bright side, if we excessively praise one thing without looking at it,s black side, we are absolutism. And don't earmark "Chinese perspective" on my comments, we are educated ppls so we can show our point of view in here, and correct the errors of each other. If I abuse your "Turkish perspectives", how do you respond to me?We must to learn how to respect each others. I come here for improving my knowledge on history but not quarrel with any Turkish ppls. Plus, I ,m a Mongol, and don't need to pretentd to be a Mongol. What can I earn from pretending a Mongol, and what benefit can I made from rebulding Mongol Empire and eliminating poverty in Mongolia. If I,m a Chinese, I can say ok ,Rep of Mongolia is the strongest and richest country of the world, and Mongols did very well in economy. But I have to disappoint you, I have to tell the truth. Frankly speaking, certain number extreme and aggressive Chinese want to integrate Mongolia into their so-called great Chinese Empire . When I heard it I was really scared------ and it,s my first time was scared. I was scared by Chinese strong power in economy, education, as well as their insurging buiding-up of military power. History has proved a law that aggressive people always take all, in other words, that certain numbers of aggressive Chinese peoples probably take the government. If they take the government, how our Mongol face them. Do you think, hot nationalism, bad equipment, and poor military deposit does work. all you know about mongolians cpùes from chinese text books so ..... cut the crap If you want or not. Before I knew about the Mongols I was thauth at school that they were just barbarians without culture and onnly brought destruction I live in Europe so thats natural
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Post by Bor Chono on Feb 13, 2007 14:11:03 GMT 3
I don`t know how tell it I`ll just show U Uuts is sheep’s back and tail. The fatter the tail the better. )) Yep!
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