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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jun 5, 2007 20:37:09 GMT 3
The popular Turkish author Nihat Genç claims that there were many Finnish soldiers in the Russian-Turkish Wars, especially the one between 1877 and 1878. Dear Verinen Paroni, please tell us about the details you know  |
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Jun 5, 2007 21:25:23 GMT 3
My one ancestor died there. In that time Finland was Grand Duchy with large authonomy and only russian who had power in Finland was Emperor/Czar. Finns had own army but they took part of czars wars. |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jun 6, 2007 21:49:18 GMT 3
Oh really?  Would you please tell us more about the Finnish soldiers in these wars? I would like to learn more about their story. |
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Post by Temüjin on Jun 6, 2007 23:40:10 GMT 3
for Napoleonic wars, i only know 2 Regiments. the Finnish Jäger Leib-Regiment of the Guard and the Finnish Dragoon Regiment.
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Jun 7, 2007 12:39:03 GMT 3
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jun 7, 2007 23:23:47 GMT 3
I see, thank you  Do you know any other wars in which the Finns fought the Turks? |
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Post by thediplomat on Jun 14, 2007 12:50:51 GMT 3
after seeing this thread I went to library, since I remembered that there was a book about modern Finish history in the library of my university. The book bears the name FINLAND AND EUROPE-International Crises in the Period of Autonomy 1808-1914, written by Juhani Paasivirta, published by a company in London, and donated by the University of Turku to my university. Now I will type some senetnces from the book in the belief that by typing these and consuming my time I will actually promote the good by helping you friends, the lovers of history, learn more and be more knowledgable.. This is probably my last post on the forum, since it marks my 1000th post. Hope you guys enjoyed my previous posts  In January 1877 The Finnish Diet was presented with a proposal for introducing military service in Finland. This had long been in preparation at committe level, and its consideration was taking place now in the shadow of the Turkish war...
... When war broke out, the fennomans were prepared to give strong support.'There has never been a ruler', Uusi Suometar declared, 'who unsheathed his sword in a better ýor juster cause than that for which Alexander II has called his people to fight. The paper depicted the Turks as pagans, representing 'blind stubborness' and 'extreme violance'...
...At the beginning of September 1877, Alexander II decided to send the Finnish Guard Battalion, with other units of the Guard, to the Balkan theatre of war. For Finland this naturally added a new dimension to the war. Not even the liberals questioned the order to the Battalion, which Leo Mechelin, for example, noted as a necessity arising from the circumstances. Dependence on Russia clearly strengthened once war broke out, and when Russia suffered setbacks, people in Finland wanted to avoid straining relations. The ceremonies in Helsinki marking the departure of the Guards Battalion for the war on 3 September were carefully linked both to Russia's official adress to the Battalion, Senator Molander stressed the sacrifice of life and blood 'for the heighest interests of humanity', and State Counsellor R.Furuhjelm declared that tthe Battalion was leaving to fight for 'The honour and faith of the fatherland' and for oýr coreligionists against the traditional enemy.'... Since at the same time some 400-500 Finss were serving as officers in the Russian army, this affected the political attitudes of the upper class as well...
... while debates at Finnish Diet were ungoing, at the end of October news was received of the heavy casulties it had suffeerd at the battle of Gornyi Dubnyak. Even before that, in September, Leo Machelin had expressed the blunt opinion that Finnish soldiers had no desire to die 'under the bullets of the Khirgiz and Chinese', or to fight for the remote areas of the Russian empire... |
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Post by Temüjin on Jun 14, 2007 22:31:31 GMT 3
This is probably my last post on the forum, since it marks my 1000th post. Hope you guys enjoyed my previous posts look closer, it is only your 100th post, it is still a logn way to the 1000th... ;D BTW, the text you wrote only mentions the Finnish Leibguard Regiment of the Czars Guard which was created in Napoleonic times... |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jun 15, 2007 1:48:29 GMT 3
Thank you for the information, TheDiplomat |
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Post by mesinik on Oct 23, 2007 20:03:05 GMT 3
In short, ordinary people suffered on both sides. "Wrong" people got more political power in both empires, generating stagnation. Both sides were losers in this stupid war. Maybe this was even the beginning of the end for both. Maybe Finland was a winner? (... because it got full independance, when Russian empire desintegrated at 1917?) I do not think so. The mentioned book, too, says: dependance on Russia strengthened. In Finland, too, "wrong" people climbed "up". (par example, think about all that idiotic propaganda in the newspapers...) after seeing this thread I went to library, since I remembered that there was a book about modern Finish history in the library of my university. The book bears the name FINLAND AND EUROPE-International Crises in the Period of Autonomy 1808-1914, written by Juhani Paasivirta, published by a company in London, and donated by the University of Turku to my university. Now I will type some senetnces from the book in the belief that by typing these and consuming my time I will actually promote the good by helping you friends, the lovers of history, learn more and be more knowledgable.. This is probably my last post on the forum, since it marks my 1000th post. Hope you guys enjoyed my previous posts In January 1877 The Finnish Diet was presented with a proposal for introducing military service in Finland. This had long been in preparation at committe level, and its consideration was taking place now in the shadow of the Turkish war...
... When war broke out, the fennomans were prepared to give strong support.'There has never been a ruler', Uusi Suometar declared, 'who unsheathed his sword in a better ýor juster cause than that for which Alexander II has called his people to fight. The paper depicted the Turks as pagans, representing 'blind stubborness' and 'extreme violance'...
...At the beginning of September 1877, Alexander II decided to send the Finnish Guard Battalion, with other units of the Guard, to the Balkan theatre of war. For Finland this naturally added a new dimension to the war. Not even the liberals questioned the order to the Battalion, which Leo Mechelin, for example, noted as a necessity arising from the circumstances. Dependence on Russia clearly strengthened once war broke out, and when Russia suffered setbacks, people in Finland wanted to avoid straining relations. The ceremonies in Helsinki marking the departure of the Guards Battalion for the war on 3 September were carefully linked both to Russia's official adress to the Battalion, Senator Molander stressed the sacrifice of life and blood 'for the heighest interests of humanity', and State Counsellor R.Furuhjelm declared that tthe Battalion was leaving to fight for 'The honour and faith of the fatherland' and for oýr coreligionists against the traditional enemy.'... Since at the same time some 400-500 Finss were serving as officers in the Russian army, this affected the political attitudes of the upper class as well...
... while debates at Finnish Diet were ungoing, at the end of October news was received of the heavy casulties it had suffeerd at the battle of Gornyi Dubnyak. Even before that, in September, Leo Machelin had expressed the blunt opinion that Finnish soldiers had no desire to die 'under the bullets of the Khirgiz and Chinese', or to fight for the remote areas of the Russian empire... |
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Post by thracianglad on May 7, 2009 23:06:01 GMT 3
Hmmmm there was a Bulgarian movie about the Finnish soldiers. I gotta search in youtube!
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Post by thracianglad on May 10, 2009 13:01:09 GMT 3
Here the monument of the Finnish soldiers died for Bulgaria in Gorni Dabnik  Their leader was general Kazimir Ernrot, other leader is Severin Tigerstetd on the battle of Pleven, he was fighting with the army of Osman pasa. When he back to Finland as a hero, in Tampere he has established a factory called Plevna(Pleven) Nowadays Plevna is popular beer in Tampere ;D Interesting fact about genera Kazimir Ernrot is that he was a prime minister of kingdom Bulgaria. Loving memory of the Finnish soldiers! |
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