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Post by nisse on May 4, 2007 1:42:34 GMT 3
I wonder there the azeri are from, and ethnic they belong to
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Post by balamir on May 4, 2007 10:34:46 GMT 3
They are Oghuzic Turks who speak an Oghuzic Dialect of Turkish.They also include Turkified Iranics.
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Post by nisse on May 4, 2007 16:36:39 GMT 3
why are they regardes as both oghuz turk and turkified iranics , I dont get it , they cant be both can they
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Post by balamir on May 4, 2007 16:43:42 GMT 3
They are mainly Oghuzic as ý know.But Turkified Iranics who speak Oghuz dialect of Turkish become azerified.
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Post by nisse on May 4, 2007 16:49:09 GMT 3
is that why they look different from other turks in central asia,
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on May 4, 2007 17:29:53 GMT 3
They're 100% Turks because they speak the Turkic language.
I think it's NOT appropriate to call them non-Turks based on the genetics because "Turk" is not a genetic term (it's linguistic).
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Post by balamir on May 4, 2007 17:46:00 GMT 3
They're 100% Turks because they speak the Turkic language. I think it's NOT appropriate to call them non-Turks based on the genetics because "Turk" is not a genetic term (it's linguistic). They are clearly Turkic but ý don't think being a Turk is linguistic.It is both genetic and lingusitic.If you call yourself as Turkand have a relation with Turks,nothing can change that you are a pure Turk.But not only language ,it is about mind.
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on May 4, 2007 18:33:46 GMT 3
Genetic diversity among Turks is too vast to define "Turk" as a genetic term.
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Post by balamir on May 4, 2007 18:40:19 GMT 3
Because Turkification and mixing.But it is about mind.
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Post by nisse on May 4, 2007 18:57:47 GMT 3
"They're 100% Turks because they speak the Turkic language.
I think it's NOT appropriate to call them non-Turks based on the genetics because "Turk" is not a genetic term (it's linguistic)."
ok I agree with you
but as I was wondering why turks looks different , in this case looks different from other turks,
for example among turkmens there are both people of causcoid and monoglid feauters,
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Post by balamir on May 4, 2007 19:17:09 GMT 3
"They're 100% Turks because they speak the Turkic language. I think it's NOT appropriate to call them non-Turks based on the genetics because "Turk" is not a genetic term (it's linguistic)." ok I agree with you but as I was wondering why turks looks different , in this case looks different from other turks, for example among turkmens there are both people of causcoid and monoglid feauters, This because of heavily mixing and Turkification of many different peoples.
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Post by Atabeg on May 4, 2007 19:55:52 GMT 3
I have to dissagree with both of you on this one.
THe Definition of Turk or who may call them self are..
1. Culture & customes: All Turkic people have the same "basic" culture and customes this ofcourse has changed and the groups who were isolated from eachother were influenced by other cultures.
2. Linguistic speaker of 1 of 34 Turkic dialects.(like my Yabghu allready said)
Azeris are of the Oguz Branch of the Turkic branch: Just like the anatolian Turks they are Western Turkmens.
The azeri culture is verry much influenced by Persian culture & language as much as the Anatolian culture & language is influenced by Persian, arab and even mediterenean(greek & balkan) & even westrn countries like france(specially during the establishment of the rupublic and ofcourse after)
To say there persian is firstly wrong and also Offending. Just like people all over the Turkic world some of them have more asitic features than the other. We never gave much about ethnic pureness were not mongols ;D(no offense).
As for we r not racist. We don't care how you look but we care about how you act. This is what I love about us.
Once I chinese man came to Turkey and said you Turks all look alike (this I will never understand)
I would also like to say that I agree with Bawirsaq yabghu on the fact that Turk isn't a pure ethnic understanding.
The name Turk was first used by the Kök Türk in the 7th cent. At that time they were allready intermixed with the persian nomads that use to roam those grounds.
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Post by nisse on May 4, 2007 20:16:59 GMT 3
"The azeri culture is verry much influenced by Persian culture & language as much as the Anatolian culture & language is influenced by Persian, arab and even mediterenean(greek & balkan) & even westrn countries like france(specially during the establishment of the rupublic and ofcourse after)"
I dont think they are influenced by persian culture, if you say that to a azeri he'll get offended, where there some influnce during early medieval times , but much of the time they have deveplot an own culture,m its not right to say that they are persian,
but in Iran the azeri and turkmens are forced to be persians by the goverment, maybe the turks in Iran during the time since the pahlavis until now have been influcneds by persians , but not until that degree that they have lost there language and culture,
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Post by Atabeg on May 4, 2007 20:19:05 GMT 3
Azeris do not only live in Azerbaycan most of them live in Iran.
Everybody knows that there influenced by persian culture as all of CA & Turkey has
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on May 4, 2007 23:47:02 GMT 3
The notion of "Turkification" is a very touchy subject.
The enemies of Turks always like calling some Turks not real Turks, but as "Turkified" Greeks, Persians, Kurds, Armenians, Arabs, etc.
By reinforcing this "Turkification" concept, you're simply confirming their anti-Turk claims.
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