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Post by firdus on Mar 1, 2005 15:24:36 GMT 3
With which turkic nation in central asia are nowday tukish in turkey are closer ?
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Mar 4, 2005 22:22:21 GMT 3
Of course the Türkmens, followed by the Uyghurs and the Uzbeks.
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Post by uyghurboy on Aug 24, 2005 13:01:38 GMT 3
due to uyghur language, clothes,culture and appearance of uyghur,we are most close to uzbak and closer to turkish in the turkey today.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 27, 2005 12:24:17 GMT 3
Hi uyghurboy, welcome
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Post by altaicmongol on Aug 28, 2006 5:26:38 GMT 3
You do know that a majority of Turkey is non-Turkish descended right? During the time Osman set up his first principality, there were many non-Turk people living in the Anatolian peninsula. The Central Asian elite just invaded the land and imposed the language and culture on the indigenous people. Some reports say that the original Central Asian gene makes up for only 30% of the population while some reports say the paternal genotype is less than 9%.
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Post by tengrikut on Aug 28, 2006 17:11:42 GMT 3
you are not right man. they were living just north and west coasts. and they started to run away from anatolia after turkic invension.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 28, 2006 21:28:29 GMT 3
The thing is that marriages between different religious communities was not that welcomed in the society back in the Ottoman Period. There were of course such marriages but it was not as wide-spread as some think. Mixing was more widely-spread among the Sunnî Muslims like Turks (including Türkmens, Tatars and others), Kurds, Caucasians (not including Christians), Albanians, Bosniacs, Pomaks and Arabs. However, mixing within some of these groups have become more wider in the last century because some of them were traditionally too strong such as the Circassians. Christians from different sects also did not marry with each other much; for example, Armenians and Greeks disliked each other, Jews were not very welcomed, Gregorian and Catholic Armenians hated each other, etc... And then there were also other heterodox religious groups like the 'Alewîs (including Türkmens, Kurds and Nusayrî Arabs), Yezidîs and the like. However, the population of modern Turkey is very mixed as much as I can see. To whom I ask his origin, most of them say they have some non-Turkish blood (Arabic, Kurdish, Greek, Circassian, Georgian, Laz are the most wide-spread). I am myself, for example, 3/16 Circassian as I calculated. I have a racial sickness found among the Eastern Mediterreneans only, showing that I might have some Arabness Some of my ancestors were from Crete, Albania and Thessalonika some mixing with the natives must have happened to some extent, if not totally impossible. However, some members of my family still have their original Turkic look like my grandfatheri my uncle and my cousins. My grandmother, my aunts and my father have a different tone of green found mostly among the Yörüks of Taurus (this color is also found in the Türkmens of Central Asia); indeed, my grandmother is of Yörük origin (but my Mediterrenean illness comes from her side too - weird as her ancestors were nomads two centuries ago; nomads and sedentary people do not mix very much, normally).
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Post by Boorchi Noyan on Aug 30, 2006 0:08:34 GMT 3
You do know that a majority of Turkey is non-Turkish descended right? During the time Osman set up his first principality, there were many non-Turk people living in the Anatolian peninsula. The Central Asian elite just invaded the land and imposed the language and culture on the indigenous people. Some reports say that the original Central Asian gene makes up for only 30% of the population while some reports say the paternal genotype is less than 9%. Exactly wrong. There had been 4.5 million Turks migratiþng to Anatolia where 1.5-2 million people were living.
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Post by altaicmongol on Aug 30, 2006 3:53:39 GMT 3
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Post by tengrikut on Aug 30, 2006 12:17:19 GMT 3
in turkey, there is not just turks. there are lots of other etnicities. so when you are talking about people in anatoila, you are not just talking about turks. only %70 of anatolians are turks.
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Post by Atabeg on Aug 30, 2006 15:21:59 GMT 3
in turkey, there is not just turks. there are lots of other etnicities. so when you are talking about people in anatoila, you are not just talking about turks. only %70 of anatolians are turks. I think thats a way to high number I think more like 50% or less the 30% they speak of are largely kurds armenians and greeks but what about the other minoroties they have forgotten there history before the Turks came to anatolia(hellenized) and now they are assimilated in to the Turkish republic. They're anatolian or even say ottoman. To say that they're turkic I think would be wrong. It's like the "turks" who live in europe most even don't know that there are turks outside turkey oh yeah kibris they say. How can i say or explain no I'm turkic I'm an ahiska turk. your not from turkey your not a turk than. Only peopel from Kars and ardahan know that.(who live here I mean).because they also were in the çildir province of the ottoman empire.(was the capital tiflis or ahiska?) don't get me wong i'm not racist or anything but it is what it is. They are all turks as in citisen of the Republic of Turkey but are they Turkic thats the question.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 30, 2006 19:12:49 GMT 3
Well think this way: which people is pure today? Even the Greeks, Serbs, Bulgarians, Syrian-Egyptian Arabs, etc are actually mostly people who got assimiliated in the area or who assimiliated the natives. Many Greeks have Slavic, Pre-Greek Anatolian, Turkish and perhaps even Celtic and Italic blood. Serbs and Bulgarians are mostly ancient Thracians and Illyrians who Romanised and later got Slavised. Most Syrians, Lebanese, Egyptians are, for example, pre-Arabic Hemitic-Semitic natives of the region.
Many modern Mongols are Turko-Mongol hybrids or Turks who got Mongolified. There are many Turkified Mongols among the Qazaqs. And the list goes on.
Don't let me start talking about Western Europeans who are perhaps the biggest mixture of human history ;D
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Post by Atabeg on Aug 30, 2006 20:17:41 GMT 3
mixing is different than assimilation
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Post by Boorchi Noyan on Sept 5, 2006 0:10:44 GMT 3
modern science??? hahaha.... you really think that it is true??? you can't? come on... where do you think that they have taken those samples- 523 y chro. we all know the big games being played over Turks in Anatolia. Why do you think that the big countries pay attention for the minorities in Turkey? Why do you think they try to make us far distant from our roots? You don't know the deeps. You just look and tell what you see on the surface. Modern science??? If it is modern, then I am the most prehistoric man I think.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2006 11:57:55 GMT 3
modern science??? hahaha.... you really think that it is true??? you can't? come on... where do you think that they have taken those samples- 523 y chro. we all know the big games being played over Turks in Anatolia. Why do you think that the big countries pay attention for the minorities in Turkey? Why do you think they try to make us far distant from our roots? You don't know the deeps. You just look and tell what you see on the surface. Modern science??? If it is modern, then I am the most prehistoric man I think. Very true, there's a big attempt to seperate us, anyway they can.
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