Steppe warrior VS Samurai

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

There are rich duel descriptions in the epic of Manas. Köl Tigin is also noted to have made some duels before the battles. These are a few examples that came to my mind right now.

[Temüjin]

mmh, then maybe it is a typical Turk practice? i wouldn't know having heard of duels between Mongols or the Saka...

[Bor Chono]

Yes duel is was very rare!(only in fairy tales ;D)
If huge armies meet each other duels are possible -I guess.

Mongolian lang :
Duel="Halz Tulaan"

[Nomad (Daz)]

Duels were a part of the warfare. If you looked the movie "Troy" it was similar. Armies surrended because of one loss duel. Battle of Kulikov didn't settle because both heros died during the duel.

[balamir]

bawirsaq said:

Compared to samurais, nomads weren't very good at foot (unmounted) hand-to-hand battle. Most of our strength came from horse archery and heavy cavalry.

I disagree,Wetern Turks after 1000s was heavier at foot than cavalry,for example ottomans.We were excellent cavalries but we also excellent on foot

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

Hmm, remember that cavalries played a very important role in Ottoman armies until the late 16th-early 17th centuries. Before that, there were at least 40-50,000 Topraqlu cavalries (Tîmârlu [Tîmâr-holding] Sipâhîs and their Jebelü squires) serving actively on the campaigns. The main role of the infantries before the 17th century was to slow down or stop the enemy charges; it was the cavalries' role to charge and rout or destroy the enemy. There were even less infantries (but not non-existent) in the armies of Ghaznävids, Säljûqids, Atabägliks, Äyyûbids, Mämlûks, Aqqoyunlus and Qaraqoyunlus. A pre-17th century typical Muslim Turkish army was consisted mostly of cavalr forces, where the infantry had a minor role.

[Atabeg]

balamir said:

bawirsaq said:

Compared to samurais, nomads weren't very good at foot (unmounted) hand-to-hand battle. Most of our strength came from horse archery and heavy cavalry.

I disagree,Wetern Turks after 1000s was heavier at foot than cavalry,for example ottomans.We were excellent cavalries but we also excellent on foot

at that time were nolonger nomads for about i don't know 500 years or so.

since' the seljuks settled

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

There had and has always been nomads.

[Saran]

borchono said:

U know game Age of Empires! -in this game Japanese Samurai had bonus in close combat when it was fighting against other nations unique units. Yes Japanese martial art is known world wide.

What if Steppe warrior VS Samurai.
What are the chances. Who is the best? I chosed Samurai because Japs claim to be top warrior, fearless to death.
Let`s get it on!!! ;D

I'm sure the steppe warriors would win the samurais. Remember, the very few Mongolian soldiers who survived the hurricane and reached the Japanese island. They fought like lions and survived for a few months there and finally were defeated cos they were so few. If the number of the nomads were at least 1/3 of the samurais, we would have won

[balamir]

Turks are good cavalries,but they are also good foot soldiers ý think.

[Atabeg]

hmm what about the phsycal condition not strenght but i mean stamina because tthe steppe warriors allways have been on horse back incontrary to other warriors who where on foot.

what did they do for non-mounted exersize.

hmmm is this why Cingis khan placed so much value on wrestling(Böke) to keep up there stamina(of the warriors i mean)

[erdene]

I think samurais are good against other samurais. They are not universal warriors like the nomads.

[Temüjin]

yeah, Samurais won many battles against themselves, but when they came on the continent they lost against Korea & China...

[Nomad (Daz)]

well koreans did beat mongols!

[balamir]

And may be mongols beat koreans some batlles,Koreans have samurai?I don't think so.