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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 12, 2007 1:02:54 GMT 3
Temur, I will not allow you to post pro-Maoist political propaganda in our site.
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Jan 12, 2007 1:43:04 GMT 3
Temur, I will not allow you to post pro-Maoist political propaganda in our site. I say that Temur should be allowed posting those after reading that one book... I bet that after that he would not want to post those.
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Post by temur on Jan 12, 2007 15:29:14 GMT 3
My Lord , it,s not propaganda, My uncle works in China social analysis department. His topic is to evaluate the relationship between Soviet and China, and domestic situation at time of cold war. I just present the real situation and Mao's politics toward foreign and domestic issue. My lord, If you don,t like me because of my comment on Saran's topic. You should give me decent death in this forum. But I didn't violate yasa. This topis is Mao, and Ijust put logical and reasonable evaluation on Mao without biased view. Pls give me justice my forum Lord. Don,t forsake me. I,m a Mongol. It,s hard to preserve it,s tradition and language in China, but I doing hard to learn Mongol,s customs and tradition. And I will tell my Son that your ancestor came down from grassland and you are the descendent of Mongol warrior. Sometimes I feel very bad, because I have to chose one between Mongol and China. One is my hometown, another is the place where I grown up, and receive education. Temur, I will not allow you to post pro-Maoist political propaganda in our site.
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Post by temur on Jan 12, 2007 16:55:35 GMT 3
Dear friend. I don,t need to waste my time to make you believe Mao is a great leader. Pls come to China( village area) and talk with ordinary Chinese peoples and don,t waste your precious time on some books wrote by his enemy. China is a country of peasants, so peasants is the backbone of China. I,m certain if you spent some time with ordinary Chinese people you wull change your point of view on him. Brainwash is useful for idiots, but we have our heart to sense everthing and to judge who is wrong and who is right. Secondly, like all ordinary people, he love his son. Who don,t love his son. It,s unreasonable to defame an old people who had lost his son. If you abuse him as selfish people, Pls give evidence what he and his family have got from country and Chinese peoples. I will put my second chapter in near future. My second chapter is on Mao's agricultural reform. Everthing happened have it's causes, Cultural revolution without it's exception. General Pen de Huai is a good guy(the first commander in chief in Korea war). But he made an unforgivable fault in "Lu shan" meeting. And this episode I will put in here later. Only commie-leader in China who really wanted to help poor people in China was Peng Dehuai, and in internet you can search and find what Mao did to him...
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Post by Boorchi Noyan on Jan 12, 2007 22:02:17 GMT 3
hey didn't you want to suicide (kicked out) at 3.23 pm so why are ypu writing after resigning???
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Post by temur on Jan 13, 2007 15:00:47 GMT 3
I think you must be frustrated that why I,m still alive here Because there is a great Forum Lord! hey didn't you want to suicide (kicked out) at 3.23 pm so why are ypu writing after resigning???
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Jan 14, 2007 2:12:51 GMT 3
Mao-admirer Chi Haotian's (Chinese defence minister) speech:
Comrades,
I’m very excited today, because the large-scale online survey sina.com that was done for us showed that our next generation is quite promising and our Party’s cause will be carried on. In answering the question, “Will you shoot at women, children and prisoners of war,” more than 80 percent of the respondents answered in the affirmative, exceeding by far our expectations [1].
Today I’d like to focus on why we asked sina.com to conduct this online survey among our people. My speech today is a sequel to my speech last time [2], during which I started with a discussion of the issue of the three islands [3], mentioned that 20 years of the idyllic theme of “peace and development” had come to an end, and concluded that modernization under the saber is the only option for China’s next phase. I also mentioned we have a vital stake overseas. Today, I’ll speak more specifically on these two issues.
The central issue of this survey appears to be whether one should shoot at women, children and prisoners of war, but its real significance goes far beyond that. Ostensibly, our intention is mainly to figure out what the Chinese people’s attitude towards war is: If these future soldiers do not hesitate to kill even non-combatants, they’ll naturally be doubly ready and ruthless in killing combatants. Therefore, the responses to the survey questions may reflect the general attitude people have towards war.
Actually, however, this is not our genuine intention. The purpose of the CCP Central Committee in conducting this survey is to probe people’s minds. We wanted to know: If China’s global development will necessitate massive deaths in enemy countries, will our people endorse that scenario? Will they be for or against it?
As everybody knows, the essence of Comrade Xiaoping’s [4] thinking is “development is the hard truth.” And Comrade Jintao [5] has also pointed out repeatedly and empathetically that “development is our top priority,” which should not be neglected for even a moment. But many comrades tend to understand “development” in its narrow sense, assuming it to be limited to domestic development. The fact is, our “development” refers to the great revitalization of the Chinese nation, which, of course, is not limited to the land we have now but also includes the whole world.
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Nonetheless, Germany was defeated in utter shame, along with its ally, Japan. Why? We reached some conclusions at the study meetings of the Politburo, in which we were searching for the laws that governed the vicissitudes of the big powers, and trying to analyze Germany and Japan’s rapid growth. When we decide to revitalize China based on the German model, we must not repeat the mistakes they made.
Specifically, the following are the fundamental causes for their defeat: First, they had too many enemies all at once, as they did not adhere to the principle of eliminating enemies one at a time; second, they were too impetuous, lacking the patience and perseverance required for great accomplishments; third, when the time came for them to be ruthless, they turned out to be too soft, therefore leaving troubles that resurfaced later on.
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Our Chinese people are wiser than the Germans because, fundamentally, our race is superior to theirs. As a result, we have a longer history, more people, and larger land area. On this basis, our ancestors left us with the two most essential heritages, which are atheism and great unity. It was Confucius, the founder of our Chinese culture, who gave us these heritages.
These two heritages determined that we have a stronger ability to survive than the West. That is why the Chinese race has been able to prosper for so long. We are destined “not to be buried by either heaven or earth” no matter how severe the natural, man-made, and national disasters. This is our advantage.
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Post by temur on Jan 14, 2007 13:40:17 GMT 3
Dear Verinen paroni, This is a bastard. He must be insane. And he can't represent Chinese people. He distorts Mao's image and Chinese peoples image. It,s my first time to read this message and I,m upset by his comments. Ihave to repeat what I have said to you that pls come to China and can sense everything by your eyes. Mao-admirer Chi Haotian's (Chinese defence minister) speech: Comrades, I’m very excited today, because the large-scale online survey sina.com that was done for us showed that our next generation is quite promising and our Party’s cause will be carried on. In answering the question, “Will you shoot at women, children and prisoners of war,?more than 80 percent of the respondents answered in the affirmative, exceeding by far our expectations [1]. Today I’d like to focus on why we asked sina.com to conduct this online survey among our people. My speech today is a sequel to my speech last time [2], during which I started with a discussion of the issue of the three islands [3], mentioned that 20 years of the idyllic theme of “peace and development?had come to an end, and concluded that modernization under the saber is the only option for China’s next phase. I also mentioned we have a vital stake overseas. Today, I’ll speak more specifically on these two issues. The central issue of this survey appears to be whether one should shoot at women, children and prisoners of war, but its real significance goes far beyond that. Ostensibly, our intention is mainly to figure out what the Chinese people’s attitude towards war is: If these future soldiers do not hesitate to kill even non-combatants, they’ll naturally be doubly ready and ruthless in killing combatants. Therefore, the responses to the survey questions may reflect the general attitude people have towards war. Actually, however, this is not our genuine intention. The purpose of the CCP Central Committee in conducting this survey is to probe people’s minds. We wanted to know: If China’s global development will necessitate massive deaths in enemy countries, will our people endorse that scenario? Will they be for or against it? As everybody knows, the essence of Comrade Xiaoping’s [4] thinking is “development is the hard truth.?And Comrade Jintao [5] has also pointed out repeatedly and empathetically that “development is our top priority,?which should not be neglected for even a moment. But many comrades tend to understand “development?in its narrow sense, assuming it to be limited to domestic development. The fact is, our “development?refers to the great revitalization of the Chinese nation, which, of course, is not limited to the land we have now but also includes the whole world. [...] Nonetheless, Germany was defeated in utter shame, along with its ally, Japan. Why? We reached some conclusions at the study meetings of the Politburo, in which we were searching for the laws that governed the vicissitudes of the big powers, and trying to analyze Germany and Japan’s rapid growth. When we decide to revitalize China based on the German model, we must not repeat the mistakes they made. Specifically, the following are the fundamental causes for their defeat: First, they had too many enemies all at once, as they did not adhere to the principle of eliminating enemies one at a time; second, they were too impetuous, lacking the patience and perseverance required for great accomplishments; third, when the time came for them to be ruthless, they turned out to be too soft, therefore leaving troubles that resurfaced later on. [...] Our Chinese people are wiser than the Germans because, fundamentally, our race is superior to theirs. As a result, we have a longer history, more people, and larger land area. On this basis, our ancestors left us with the two most essential heritages, which are atheism and great unity. It was Confucius, the founder of our Chinese culture, who gave us these heritages.These two heritages determined that we have a stronger ability to survive than the West. That is why the Chinese race has been able to prosper for so long. We are destined “not to be buried by either heaven or earth?no matter how severe the natural, man-made, and national disasters. This is our advantage.
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Jan 15, 2007 1:35:07 GMT 3
I have been in China 2000. One week in Beijing and The Great Wall.
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Post by temur on Jan 15, 2007 3:09:52 GMT 3
It,s pity that we know each other so late. I ,m an English tour guide, If I knew you in 2000, I would have accompanied you around Beijing and invite you to live in my house . I hope that you can come to Beijing again, so I can present a realy picture of China, and certainly take you to my iner-Mongolia family. I have been in China 2000. One week in Beijing and The Great Wall.
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Jan 15, 2007 3:24:46 GMT 3
It,s pity that we know each other so late. I ,m an English tour guide, If I knew you in 2000, I would have accompanied you around Beijing and invite you to live in my house . I hope that you can come to Beijing again, so I can present a realy picture of China, and certainly take you to my iner-Mongolia family. I have been in China 2000. One week in Beijing and The Great Wall. Indeed, I canot say anything about regular chinese in China, because in week I could not get total picture. Next I would like to see Manchuria and Inner-Mongolia.
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Post by Boorchi Noyan on Jan 16, 2007 2:07:00 GMT 3
I think you must be frustrated that why I,m still alive here Because there is a great Forum Lord! hey didn't you want to suicide (kicked out) at 3.23 pm so why are ypu writing after resigning??? don't force your limits!!! you are a liar and a double dealer...
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Post by temur on Jan 16, 2007 15:26:44 GMT 3
Dear friend, Why you speak to me with biased eye. Have I ever insulted or made personal attack on you. I just come here for making new friends rather than insulting anyone. Maybe we hold different point of view on some issues, but you have no right to attack me before public. Yup, My mom's side belongs to Chinese, but it,s not a proper excuse of you to attack me. I don,t know why you hate Chinese. You know China is a victim of Mongol, Huns and Turk. Millions of Chinese were butchered by Mongol army. They built Great wall for the sole purpose of protecting his people from invasion and being killed. Every country have their dignity and ambition, and China is without exception. From you words, I can see that you take it for granted that Chinese people is deserved to be bastard, inferior people, and people of being conquered. And if they want to build their country stronger and save their peasants from poverty and starving, you will see it as unforgivable and evil thing. I,m sure if China is poor and being conquered by your country, you will personally think it,s reasonable and accepted, and you will take it as a grand task confered by God. Sometimes I feel very bad, because I have to choose one among Mongol and China. But If China has nasty intention to conquer other country, I will lead an army formed by nomadic Warriors and Chinese who love peace to fight against invader. I,m a Mongol ! I think you must be frustrated that why I,m still alive here Because there is a great Forum Lord! don't force your limits!!! you are a liar and a double dealer...
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 16, 2007 15:36:51 GMT 3
Yes China has suffered from nomadic raids for centuries, but the Chinese also made many peoples suffer a lot, and they still do it non-stop. Look at Eastern Turkistân, Tibet and Inner Mongolia.
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Post by temur on Jan 16, 2007 18:37:09 GMT 3
Yup, But It,s not fault of China. To some extent, Rep of China is the legal successor of Mongol and Manchu empires. And it,s vast territory was the result of Mongol and Manchu's conquering campaigns. Chinese ppls is mild race and have no intention to invade other countries, but they have right to keep the integrity of China. Chinese leader once said that the vastness of our country was the bloodshed of Mongol, manchurian, and Chinese. They are the founder of this great country and they are our respected Ancestors. How can we lose every inch of land on which bloodsheded with ancestor's blood. When Armenian try to split with Ottman Empire, Turkish soldier butchered 1 million Armenian peoples. It,s an absolutely a genocide in history! To this point, we have no right right to blame each other. Yes China has suffered from nomadic raids for centuries, but the Chinese also made many peoples suffer a lot, and they still do it non-stop. Look at Eastern Turkistân, Tibet and Inner Mongolia.
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