pantigin
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Post by pantigin on Feb 10, 2008 2:13:31 GMT 3
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Post by Atabeg on Feb 10, 2008 12:45:31 GMT 3
this poll isn't a good one. for 1 reason
Allot of the Turkic dialects you posted are spoken by less than a million people(At it's best some even less than a couple of thousand like yakut) To think the other 149 milion people should adapt to that language is absurd.
I personaly think the canidates should eb restricted to Uygur,Uzbeks,Kazakh,Turkmen,Azeri & Turkish
I personaly vote Uzbek because I think thats realy the language every body understands a little bit. A Kazakh understanding Anatolian Turkish is rare and vice versa. But Uzbek is somehow understandable for both to some extend. (Middle cuman Turkic was more understandable for the rest of the Turkic population than Kazakh is today)
I think there should be 3 official languages and thats not 2 many imo. I mean for the common people at first .
For the people of Turkey, Azerbaycan, Turkmenistand ( Tatars, gagauz & Iraqi Turkmens 2) = reformed Antolian Turkish
Uzbek/Uygur is roughly the same
I realy don't know what to do with Kazakh and the minor Turkic dialects though :/
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Post by tengrikut on Feb 10, 2008 13:47:46 GMT 3
hmmm it is really hard to decide. but how about ancient Kokturk dialect
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Post by pantigin on Feb 10, 2008 14:39:29 GMT 3
You are quite right with your unique view of point for that. But i am mentioning a common and only language for an imaginary unified turkic state. To most people, the linguistic gap among the han chinese people of china and india might be unkown. let me first say about china, if Yingzhen, Qin Shihuang(the first emperor of chinese Qin dynasty) had not banned the other dialects spoken at the time, who knows, there would be over 100 hundred ethnic groups in china by today. Even today the han chinese people living in different parts of the country can not undertand each other properly and some places they don't absolutely understand each other at all if without speaking the mandarin(common chinese language based on the chinese dialect of Pekin). Please look at this map first Those above mentioned sinitic languages are really a foreign language with each other with no understanding in terms that speakers of those language could hardly understand without the help of Mandarin. And those languages also possess sub dialects making the mutual understanding even harder. The role of Mandarin is the same of Hindi(Hindustani) in India. But we are different, although inhabited distantly one another. I believe and also expierenced myself that a turk from Turkey can manage to understand a kazakh turk from kazakhistan at least by 60% to 70%, after they get in to know each other's dialect difference after a while. And there is no need to say that these gap become lesser in accordance with the bordering or close inhabitation. Now these differences are such, and no body knows whether these dialects would remain unchanged or changed to complete totally unknown languages in the future. So there should be only a common language for that heavenly state. I admit that there are too many dialects enlisted up there, but none of them are extinct. So i thought i should enlist all of them as it is an imaginary poll anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2008 15:07:32 GMT 3
I voted for a Turkic Esperanto. I think the best choice would be to gather Turk linguistics from each of the main Turk dialects and have them work up a new Turk dialect.
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pantigin
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Post by pantigin on Feb 10, 2008 15:19:21 GMT 3
I also voted for Turkic Esperanto and i have a quite similar view of point as which feramez211 stated.
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Post by pantigin on Feb 10, 2008 15:35:23 GMT 3
Uzbek/Uygur is roughly the same :/[atabeg] Yes they are seemingly same, but uzbek has much more persian and russian loan words than uighur do.
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Post by kokturk on Feb 11, 2008 0:39:37 GMT 3
Uighur, Kazakh and Turkish for three main branches of Turkic languages, Qarluq, Qypshak and Oghuz. Altai and Northern groups are nearly extinct, so they should use one of these three. But, a Turkish saying is "Learn walking before running.". So, first of all, founding an union is matter of concern, not the official language of the imaginary state.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2008 9:50:49 GMT 3
The Siberian Turk dialects are no where near extinct. Where'd you hear that? The only endangered Turk dialects are Karay and Chulym, both are in the Kipchak group.
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Post by pantigin on Feb 11, 2008 10:16:51 GMT 3
Please read more about them, at least they are being spoken by small number of people up to now.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Feb 11, 2008 14:30:55 GMT 3
I could not vote because I have three different opinions:
1) Anatolian Turkish: An important number of non-Anatolian Turkics know the language via travelling/education/trade/etc, and it is perhaps the most developed version of Turkic dialects/languages.
2) Chaghatay Turkish: Chaghatay Turkish was the written lingua franca of most of the Turkic peoples living in the Russian Empire. Even though the spoken languages/dialects were different from each other, every educated man from different people could read and understand Chaghatay. Perhaps a Latin-alphabet based new version can be adapted as a common official language.
3) Uzbek: As stated above, it is understandable for most of the Turkic peoples. No wonder why, because it developed from Chaghatay ;D
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Post by pantigin on Feb 11, 2008 22:52:48 GMT 3
Actually a linguistic unification should be realized by a predominant cultural or literary influence or by force, but for many centuries we have never been really unified under a common flag that leads us to those two aspects i have mentioned above after the GOK TURK empire. Nowadays no body is willing to accept a forcible domination as for many new turkic states just stood up after the long term colonization. And also there is no commonly recognized cultural and literal electrophoresis which can touch all turkic people while their own isolated cultural and literary heritages always make them pride. As it was already discussed in a previous thread saying the turkic states still have not come to a common understanding about a leading language, so i think it's better to create a turkic esperanto. In this way we can avoid being hurt in any respects. By the way, I would like remind you about another saying that A good plan equals to half of the success. We all know we are not the policy makers on the behalf of our people, but at least we can make an atmosphere, a gradual growing voice of influence and most importantly a view of point which can affect a friend. And he will affect his friend in turn. But should be one language.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Feb 12, 2008 4:01:28 GMT 3
Actually, what we, the Turkic peoples, should do is to follow the methods used by the European countries at creating the European Union.
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Post by tengrikut on Feb 13, 2008 14:10:27 GMT 3
I could not vote because I have three different opinions: 1) Anatolian Turkish: An important number of non-Anatolian Turkics know the language via travelling/education/trade/etc, and it is perhaps the most developed version of Turkic dialects/languages. 2) Chaghatay Turkish: Chaghatay Turkish was the written lingua franca of most of the Turkic peoples living in the Russian Empire. Even though the spoken languages/dialects were different from each other, every educated man from different people could read and understand Chaghatay. Perhaps a Latin-alphabet based new version can be adapted as a common official language. 3) Uzbek: As stated above, it is understandable for most of the Turkic peoples. No wonder why, because it developed from Chaghatay ;D maybe crimean tatar language is more suitable then uzbek bec uzbek includes a lot of arabic and persian words. crimean tatar is purer than it and it is as near to other dialects as uzbek.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2008 12:22:32 GMT 3
Please read more about them, at least they are being spoken by small number of people up to now. I know, that's why I said they're "endangered". That means that only a small population speak them as a first language, fluently and on an everyday basis.
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