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Post by aykurt on Dec 26, 2006 5:18:52 GMT 3
This is Talat Tekin's classification of the Turkic languages which is in my opinion better than the usual groupings as it applies phonetic principles to the groupings rather than the usual geographic groupings. 1) Oghuz group - Turkish; Azeri; Turkmen; Trukhmen; khorosan Turkish; Khwarezm Oghuz; Kashkay, Eynallu, Kirkuk and Erbil dialects; Gagauz. 2) Kypchak group - Tatar; Bashkir; Kazakh; Karakalpak; Nogay; Kumuk; Karachay-Balkar; Karay; Crimean Tatar; Baraba Tatar; Khwarezm Kypchak. 3) Chaghatay group - Uzbek; New Uighur 4) Kyrghyz 5) Written Altay - Altay Kiji (Oyrot), Telengit, Teleüt 6) Northern Altay Group - Tuba, Kumandi, Chalkandu; Lower Chulym; Kondom; Lower Tom 7) Yenisei-Abakan, Yellow Uighur and Khakas group - A. khakas; Middle Chulym; Mras, Upper Tom dialects. B. Yellow Uighur 8) Tuva group - Tuva; Tofa 9) Salar 10) Khalaj 11) Yakut - A. Sakha B. Dolgan 12) Chuvash I originally posted this classification to AllEmpires in this thread www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=16372
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Post by kokturk on Dec 26, 2006 17:10:03 GMT 3
Kyrgyz is considered as a Kypchak dialect and IMHO that is more accurate. But of course they are not Kypchak, just their dialect is Kypchak.
A new trend is taking Khalaj dialect into the Oghuz group.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Dec 27, 2006 0:15:19 GMT 3
Thank you aykurt.
As far as I know, modern Qyrghyz speak a dialect inside the Qypchaq group.
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Post by tengrikut on Dec 29, 2006 13:39:05 GMT 3
yes kyrgyz must be in kypchak class
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Post by aca on Dec 29, 2006 18:23:09 GMT 3
Thank you aykurt. As far as I know, modern Qyrghyz speak a dialect inside the Qypchaq group. You are right, but there is a good reason why Qyrghyz in this list is separated from Qypchaq group. Phonology of Qyrghyz language is more similar to that of Altay group. This means that Qyrghyz language represents something between Altay and Qypchaq groups - which is undestandable since the Qyrghyz were the last Turkic people to move westward from the region east of Altay. I will show some examples soon...
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Jan 3, 2007 1:18:13 GMT 3
This means that Qyrghyz language represents something between Altay and Qypchaq groups - which is undestandable since the Qyrghyz were the last Turkic people to move westward from the region east of Altay. Southward from north of Altay mountains. Ancient Qirghiz people used to live in what is now Khakassia and Russia's Altay regions - which is Southern Siberia, north of Altay mountains. Khakas and Altay-kiji people are very close to modern Qirghiz in terms of language. In fact, there's even a theory that the name "Khakas" is simply a distortion of "Qirghiz".
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Post by Atabeg on Mar 25, 2007 21:04:02 GMT 3
So I was just surfing on the net. I looked up Turkic dialects and classifaction. I allways thought The Turkic spoken in Ahiska region was purely Oghuz the kipchaks who lived there got mixed with the western Turks and the language that was heavly influenced by the Ottomans became oguz. But I looked at a map from wiki and I saw right a little green dot on the old capital of ahiska what dos it mean ? and on the firsdt map it's a yellow dot en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_language#Classification
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Mar 25, 2007 23:04:46 GMT 3
I guess it's the same dot in two different maps, representing Ahisqa Turks.
Although, today, the only Turks living there are the Azeri Turks in the Borchali region
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Post by Atabeg on Mar 26, 2007 0:40:09 GMT 3
I guess it's the same dot in two different maps, representing Ahisqa Turks. Although, today, the only Turks living there are the Azeri Turks in the Borchali region hmm that could be true but I thought that the map showed current classification. and azeri does belong to the western branch so it has it's own collor
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Post by Atabeg on Apr 27, 2007 23:12:09 GMT 3
The Kipchak language (also spelled Qypchaq) is an extinct Turkic language of the Kipchak group.
The descendants of the Kipchak language include the majority of Turkic languages spoken in Eastern Europe and the Caucasus today, as Kipchak was used as a lingua franca in Golden Horde-ruled lands.
so If the Ahiska Turks are descendents of teh Kypchaks who got setteled around south of the caucasus. Then that could explain the diffrent dialect and some vocab diffrences between them and the Anatolians and azeris.
Khazaks are eastern kypchaks and those who settled in the caucasus and krim are western then right?
I mean before intermixing with other ethic groups and Western Turks
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2007 9:23:28 GMT 3
I once saw a show on the Discovery Channel. It was about a group of people in northern Siberia called the Kipchak. I don't remember much about it but are they are small group of Turks speaking a Kipchak Turk language? Or are they not related to Turks?
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Post by Atabeg on Aug 25, 2008 18:46:25 GMT 3
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 25, 2008 22:05:29 GMT 3
Yes indeed, I also understood most of it ;D
It sounds like between Kazan Tatar and Qazaq.
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Post by Atabeg on Aug 25, 2008 22:53:41 GMT 3
but to be fair he was well spoken because soemtimes I can't understand Turkmen that well but thats because the speaker doesn't articulate proper
his beard was cool 2
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 26, 2008 12:58:18 GMT 3
Agreed ;D The reason why Turkmen sounds very difficult for us to understand is because they have different sounds that don't exist in most other Turkic languages.
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