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Post by jstampfl on Dec 13, 2004 15:23:51 GMT 3
This question was asked on the old forum.
I answered:
From "The comparative study of texts 'The Secret History of the Mongols' and 'Altan Tobcl' by Lubsangdanjin, Edited by Sh. Bira, Ulaanbaatar 2002.
"chinggis-qahan"
Remember that the existing "Secret History" was written using Chinese Characters to represent the Mongolian Sounds.
The current version of Khan is "Xaan" using the Russian characters. The sound when written in Modern Mongolian Script is the same.
I have been asking people here who are conversant in the Mongolian script . The answer is interesting:
The Mongolian script word for the current "khan" or "Xaan" is made up of 3 parts.
The first leading character, corresponds to the sound "x", or "kh" which is currently pronounced like the english h in the word hay.
The second part is a long character which transliterates to aga, but is now pronounced awe. In Russian characters it is written "aa".
The last part is the n. Written h in Russian characters.
So it appears that the original pronounciation of "Xaah", "Xaan", "Khan", or "Khaan" may have been more like "Xagan" or "Khagan".
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Dec 14, 2004 20:17:54 GMT 3
Hmm, interesting, thanks
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Post by chinzo on Jul 30, 2005 2:13:07 GMT 3
I think khan=HAAH, not xaan if u read xaan in modern mongolian it heard like khap because xaan last character(n) is same as english p And Mongolian modern character is bit different from russian
(sorry my english is not very good)
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Post by chinzo on Jul 30, 2005 2:14:08 GMT 3
sorry i made a mistake khan=XAAH
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jul 31, 2005 0:42:55 GMT 3
Yes it's XAAH in the Cyrillic script, but there is also a modern LAtin transcription system which has KH written as X (though this is not very common).
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Post by Bor Chono on Nov 19, 2005 11:28:58 GMT 3
Ancient mongolian differs from Modern mongolian language. word "Oh my king" is before : "Khagaan minu...-" /...-/ means : spell U long but disapearing. now : "Khaan(=haan) min+" /n+/ give power to N.
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Post by Kolaksay on Dec 7, 2005 23:42:08 GMT 3
:'(So I found these posts by someone in TalkHistory.
* Genghis Khan was originally from Korea then they migrated to China then to Mongolia More than 90% of his army were Chinese and Korean only 5% Mongolian the other 5% were Europeans, Turks, Russians, Persians and Arabs
* Is it correct to call the Mongol Empire also the Korean Empire? Why I say that is because Genghis Khan was from originally from Korea beforing his fater moving to China and then to Mongolia. Some people even call it the Chines Empire.
* The correct/original pronunciation of Genghis Khan is Chin-geez Han Chin-geez Han means The Chinese Man who Rules the World The word China today comes from the name of Emperor Chin in arround 200 b.c. who united all of China.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Dec 11, 2005 22:51:24 GMT 3
That's all rubbish, Temüjin wasn't a Korean.
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Post by Kolaksay on Dec 12, 2005 4:39:05 GMT 3
Indeed. No one has bothered to debunk this sorry claim at Talk History, I think because no one else can believe someone would make such ridiculous claims. Could anyone give me a good academic reference or two (English-language, alas) to cite for this deluded fellow? It obviously needs to be very easy to understand. I could cite some esoteric genetic analysis websites for him, but I fear that is beyond his comprehension... Thanks
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Post by snafu on Dec 12, 2005 5:09:32 GMT 3
The Japanese also have a legend that claims Genghis was Japanese. It's all just nationalistic silliness. Temujin was Mongolian. There's no evidence to dispute this whatsoever.
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Post by tadamson on Dec 12, 2005 12:36:39 GMT 3
Re pronounciation...
Contemporary Persian documents give it a 'Qu' sound Qu'aan as in English 'quart' or 'quarter' but I suspect that it could sound h' kh' or q' dependant on the speakers native dialect.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Dec 19, 2005 0:39:41 GMT 3
Nope, it's just Khân in Persian and Arabic (Jangis Khân).
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Post by Bor Chono on Dec 19, 2005 9:06:02 GMT 3
You people don`t understand how educated common japanese, korean, american...etc. We all know that these countries are highly developed. But the education of mass is . Did you saw recent Hollywood movie about plane crush in Mongolian Gobi desert!!! Wow!!! who where the bandits? Maybe I`m a bandit Sometimes mongols call/speak/ The Great khaan as "Dalai khaan=Ocean Lord" and when he was young he was "Tenggis=Sea" Every ordinary men&women called/becomes/ "Burhan=God, Spirit" after death. What about the great khaan? He became "Yurtuntsi-n Ezen=Lord of Universe"
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Post by Nomad (Daz) on Dec 20, 2005 10:32:10 GMT 3
hahaha Some of our and russian historians try to proof that the Great Khan was nomad from Kazakh steppes. I even saw books and some web doc* on that topic. Maybe we should claim for our right to make him full citizen of Kazakhstan.
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Post by Bor Chono on Jun 7, 2006 8:48:36 GMT 3
hahaha Some of our and russian historians try to proof that the Great Khan was nomad from Kazakh steppes. I even saw books and some web doc* on that topic. Maybe we should claim for our right to make him full citizen of Kazakhstan. Ancestors of present Kazah ppl claimed to The Great Khaan, to be royal for generations. They rode with him -maybe in front. At least Kazaks should build a little statue of The Great khaan!. Present word "Khaan or Haan" comes from old word "Kagaan". Word "Kagaan" comes from "Kagaa" means "close it!" "Kagaah" means "to close" So "Kagaan" means "some one who close something" maybe "Guardian".
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