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Post by hulagu on Jan 3, 2008 21:44:22 GMT 3
hi guys,long time no see.Hey do you have some information about mongol generals in 3 th-14 th century
Have you heard about general Bayan ? for example
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 4, 2008 21:25:47 GMT 3
Yes, I heard of him. I think he was of Uyghur origin, who fought in China.
The Mongols had a lot of formidable generals, such as Sübe'edei Ba'atur, Jebe Noyan, Èormaqan Noyan, etc.
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Post by odbayarb2000 on Feb 25, 2009 6:09:29 GMT 3
In Mongol history there were several Generals named Bayan. And their deeds are often intermingled with each other.
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Post by snafu on Feb 25, 2009 8:31:56 GMT 3
Jebe and Subedai are probably the most renowned. They practically conquered Russia on their own.
Subedai's son Uriyankhidai became a pretty good general in his own right and played a significant part in the conquest of the Sung.
Mukali and Samuka Ba'adur were instrumental in the conquest of Chin.
Ked-Buka distinguished himself in the Middle East by leading the seige of Baghdad.
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Post by sarmat on Feb 25, 2009 16:24:06 GMT 3
Jebe and Subedai are probably the most renowned. They practically conquered Russia on their own. Russia was conquered by Batu khan. What Subedei and Jebe did is the destruction of a united Russian-Kypchak army at the battle of Kalka river. |
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Post by erik on Feb 26, 2009 16:11:34 GMT 3
Even if Batu Khan lead the second campaign in europe he had subudei with him and i am sure he played a bigger part than BatuKhan in Winning the battles. and making the campaign so succsesfull
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Post by Temüjin on Feb 26, 2009 20:26:45 GMT 3
that's just conjecture, there's actually no evidence at all that Sübe'edai was ever the primary commander of any campaign he was in or that he was solely responsible for any of the victories.
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Post by arnewise12 on Feb 26, 2009 21:31:28 GMT 3
Yeah I think Subutai was the most cunning one to. Didnt he destroy a enitre army of hungarians at a battle somewere
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Feb 27, 2009 10:11:28 GMT 3
Sübe'etei Ba'atur was the co-commander of the Mongol army that invaded Eastern Europe, but Batu was the highest in the chain of command, Sübe'etei was under his rank.
At Mohi, the Hungarians were defeated by Batu himself, with the help of Sübe'etei who attacked the Hungarians from behind.
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Post by keaganjoelbrewer on Mar 12, 2009 14:48:24 GMT 3
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Mar 12, 2009 19:58:00 GMT 3
And funny thing is that he wasn't really a Mongol ;D
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Post by tadamson on Mar 12, 2009 20:02:45 GMT 3
Don't bother. Its more of a fan magazine and not very good. Tom.. |
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Post by Temüjin on Mar 12, 2009 20:21:06 GMT 3
i heard the same from someone who has read it...
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Post by Temüjin on Mar 12, 2009 20:23:12 GMT 3
And funny thing is that he wasn't really a Mongol ;D that's really not so uncommon, there are some examples of famous generals of a country actually being foreigners or of foreign descendancy. |
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Post by hjernespiser on Mar 13, 2009 1:37:59 GMT 3
I understand that Subotai was Uriankhai. The name Uriankhai was applied to "Forest people" and seems to have included both Tuvans and Mongols. I know that the Tuvans claim him as their own, but the possibility that he was a Mongolian Uriankhai still exists I think. Is there anything contrary to this?
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