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Post by Atabeg on Aug 8, 2006 18:00:42 GMT 3
funny dude its not the size that matters you should know better than that;D
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Post by Boorchi Noyan on Aug 8, 2006 22:56:59 GMT 3
Amir does not mean peaceful, it means the ruler...
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 9, 2006 0:32:32 GMT 3
Timur's real name must have been Temür according to Turkic grammar rules. In Persian and Arabic, his name is written as Tîmûr.
Amîr or Emîr is an Arabic title meanign "Order Giver".
He was entitled "Son-in-law" because paternally, he wasn't a descendent of Chinggis Khan.
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Post by Bor Chono on Aug 10, 2006 13:18:44 GMT 3
funny dude its not the size that matters you should know better than that;D Well...I just wanted to see his wrinkles. ;D Ok! I got it! SIZE DOESn`t Matter! -but Why? -size of your army? -size of your family? -size of your body? -size of your brain?(-it shouldn`t be nuts size!) -size of your thingy?(-it shouldn`t be Microsoft!) -size of your heart? Think again ;D Wonderful painting : "The Gates of Timur" ;D
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Post by Atabeg on Aug 11, 2006 17:50:09 GMT 3
dude c'mon turks and mongols have proven that teh size of you army and stuff doesn't mather they fought outnumber a lot of times at least I know that the turks did. You gotta have soul man fighting spirit
its not the size but its how you use
btw the biger the better hmmm extra allways helps
chono why do the guards have long bows and not compact bows like normal steppe people
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Post by Bor Chono on Aug 25, 2006 4:26:22 GMT 3
chono why do the guards have long bows and not compact bows like normal steppe people Hmm..I don`t know! ask the painter! ;D
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Post by Atabeg on Sept 18, 2006 21:26:12 GMT 3
I did he said bor chono knows more about history I just paint ;D
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Post by kokturk on Sept 19, 2006 0:16:07 GMT 3
He used the title "Gurqan" because he was really the son-in-law of the Chinggis Hagan's dynasty. Also, his mother was a grand grand daughter of Chinggis Hagan.
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Post by balamir on Nov 29, 2006 20:33:03 GMT 3
Maybe he married with a princess? maybe Granddaughter of The Great Khaan & He is claiming to be his "Gurqan"!? I heard that he was from tribe(=Mongol!?) "Barulas" meaning "Tiger ppl" or "Loepard ppl".-So he already had Mongol origin. ;D Temür was not a Mongol. Temür was from Barlas tribe,Barlas people are Turkizied mongol tribe,they assimilated and mixed heavily.They call theirselves Turk.Temür ethnicly could be Turk or Turkizied Mongol.We can't know. His name is Turkish,and has words about his origin. "Biz emir-i Türkistan'ýz" Eng:"We are the emir of Turkestan" "Türk'ün baþbuðuyuz!" Eng:"We are the leaader of Turks!" "Biz Türk oðlu Türk'ük" Eng:" We are Turks and we are sons of Turks!" He has no Mongol origin I think...
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 30, 2006 12:26:03 GMT 3
His name is Turkish,and has words about his origin. "Biz emir-i Türkistan'ýz" Eng:"We are the emir of Turkestan" "Türk'ün baþbuðuyuz!" Eng:"We are the leaader of Turks!" "Biz Türk oðlu Türk'ük" Eng:" We are Turks and we are sons of Turks!" I have always wondered where these words are recorded. But remember that back in the 13th-15th centuries, the name Turk, Tatar and Mongol were used in the Islamic sources for each other. Some called the Mongols themselves Turk. There were two meanings of these three names: 1) political (indicating that these were the subjects of the Mongol Empire) and 2) cultural (indicating that they were steppe nomads). He has no Mongol origin I think... He was a Turk with Mongol origins, as you said above
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Post by balamir on Nov 30, 2006 12:55:08 GMT 3
His name is Turkish,and has words about his origin. "Biz emir-i Türkistan'ýz" Eng:"We are the emir of Turkestan" "Türk'ün baþbuðuyuz!" Eng:"We are the leaader of Turks!" "Biz Türk oðlu Türk'ük" Eng:" We are Turks and we are sons of Turks!" I have always wondered where these words are recorded. But remember that back in the 13th-15th centuries, the name Turk, Tatar and Mongol were used in the Islamic sources for each other. Some called the Mongols themselves Turk. There were two meanings of these three names: 1) political (indicating that these were the subjects of the Mongol Empire) and 2) cultural (indicating that they were steppe nomads). He has no Mongol origin I think... He was a Turk with Mongol origins, as you said above the words "Türk'ün Baþbuðu" explains that he is a Turk ý think. Yes he mat be a Turk with Mongol origins.
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Post by kokturk on Dec 1, 2006 17:08:29 GMT 3
I have always wondered where these words are recorded. But remember that back in the 13th-15th centuries, the name Turk, Tatar and Mongol were used in the Islamic sources for each other. Some called the Mongols themselves Turk. There were two meanings of these three names: 1) political (indicating that these were the subjects of the Mongol Empire) and 2) cultural (indicating that they were steppe nomads). He was a Turk with Mongol origins, as you said above the words "Türk'ün Baþbuðu" explains that he is a Turk ý think. Yes he mat be a Turk with Mongol origins. Fâtih was "Emperor of Rome" but he was not Roman. Suleiman the Magnificient was "King of Hungary" but he was not Hungarian. Queen Victoria was "Emperor of India" but she was not Indian. So the words "Türk'ün Baþbuðu" does not make him Turk. I critisize your method, but of course Teymür was a Turkic-speaking Amir of Turkic people. His tribe's origin is Mongolian, but he must be Turkified.
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Post by balamir on Dec 1, 2006 21:14:39 GMT 3
Hes,VERY Turkified because "Turk son of Turk".
Where can ý find sources about Barlas people?
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Dec 1, 2006 22:07:33 GMT 3
In any book on the Timurids As I said, back then, the name "Turk" included non-Turkic nomads too.
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Post by balamir on Dec 1, 2006 22:47:34 GMT 3
This,Timur called himself nor arabs.
Hehe,ý need a internet document,ý haven't got any book about Timurids.
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