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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Oct 10, 2006 19:55:09 GMT 3
I heard that no Muslim leader spoke bad about Jesus & Cristianity while most Cristian leaders did. -Is it true? The same goes for Judaists and Christians too (as Aca Shad has explained the Muslim-Christian part well). Christians respect the prophets of Judaism but the Judaists see the Christians in the same way the Christians see the Muslims.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Oct 29, 2006 21:14:23 GMT 3
In Raverty's Tabaqât-i Nâsirî and in Ibnu'l-Athîr's famous book about Islamic history (book IX, page 335), it's written that a large group of Turks made up of 10,000 tents (families) living around Balasaghun converted to Islâm in the year 1043. This shows that eventhough large numbers of Turks converted to Islâm in the same region nearly a century ago and eventhough Islâm became the state religion of the Qarakhanid Empire, there still were non-Muslim Turks living in the region.
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Post by aca on Nov 9, 2006 18:16:39 GMT 3
This maybe a little off topic, but I must ask you people something:
Few days ago, in southern part of my country (populated mostly by Muslims) there were serious clashes between people who went to the mosque to pray and some Wahhabists. Also in this clashes fire-arms were involved.
Now, most imams in Serbia belong to "hanefi law school" as they call it, and they were also attacked by Wahhabists. I asked my mother about those Wahhabists, but she couldn't give me any answer because she never saw them and heard of them earlier. Also, imams are asking help from government to protect them from further Wahhabist attackes.
So my question is - can you tell me something more about those Wahhabists; do they also exist in Turkey, and how many of them there are, are they so agresive in Turkey too... ?
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 9, 2006 23:29:41 GMT 3
I never saw any Wahhâbis in Turkey, they are unique to Sa'ûdî Arabia
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Post by Temüjin on Nov 10, 2006 0:28:57 GMT 3
Wahhabis also exist in Chechnia, from what i know they belong to a extremist, militant section of Islam.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 10, 2006 1:33:44 GMT 3
Hmm yes you are right, they are supported by the Sa'ûdîs.
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Nov 10, 2006 16:37:09 GMT 3
Most Chechens are Suufis.
They claim to be Wahhabists just for getting support.
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Post by dilisang on Dec 29, 2006 1:09:51 GMT 3
I never saw any Wahhâbis in Turkey, they are unique to Sa'ûdî Arabia They have been unique to Saudi-Arabia. When you now see a woman covering the whole face with a burqa or niqab or the like, she is almost certainly a Wahhabi. You see easily the contrast in countries where woman don't even wear a veil, normally. In Pakistan, there is traditionally a light scarf that someone can wear on the neck or on the head, and clothes are often half-sleeve, leaving the arm free. So the Wahhabi outfit is a strong contrast to that traditional fashion. I would say here in England, the Wahhabi fashion has been ten-fold in the last years. Still, you see groups of women on the street or in a car, quite mixed: without anything on the head, veil and niqab, all together. So, fanaticism has its limits., still.
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Post by raapi on Dec 31, 2006 21:05:03 GMT 3
during the middle ages islam was a nicer religion i'd say, more serene, clean, advanced, respectful... maybe christianity being the religion of the lands that writhed in disease and hocus pocus cures etc prompted the later renaissance and industrial revolution thus heralding the rise of europe. Today islam is generally the underdog religion in my opinion, swapping round from the middle ages... this just goes to show that all three abrahamic religions have the roughly the same capability and limits etc, it's whatever the geopolitical currents and social levels are at that decides which one edges ahead for a while, imo.
i steer clear of religion hehe.
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Post by mongolulus on Apr 11, 2009 6:47:04 GMT 3
Is there another meaning of Lal in Mongolian? LAL - there is no other meaning in that word. I found this word very weird. Where is it originated Well, people say that it comes from the first part of "la ilahi illa allah." if you keep repeating that in the ears of a non-muslim mongol it's very likely that he will call your religion "Laliin shashin" or religion of the Lal. other meanings? well, there is a commonly used curse word called lalar. Lalkhaikh means to be slothful or lazy. Lalkhghar refers to a lazy person. Sometimes I'm very lalkhghar.
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Post by Subu'atai on Apr 12, 2009 3:30:02 GMT 3
Islam has a lot of potential, but just like Christianity, it has enough bad eggs to make me wary of it. Localise Islam, Localise the Church, then everything is fine. Accept foreign anti-women anti-harmony ways into your nation along with their religion you'll be f---ed.
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Post by Atabeg on Apr 12, 2009 11:26:57 GMT 3
LAL - there is no other meaning in that word. I found this word very weird. Where is it originated Well, people say that it comes from the first part of "la ilahi illa allah." if you keep repeating that in the ears of a non-muslim mongol it's very likely that he will call your religion "Laliin shashin" or religion of the Lal. other meanings? well, there is a commonly used curse word called lalar. Lalkhaikh means to be slothful or lazy. Lalkhghar refers to a lazy person. Sometimes I'm very lalkhghar. I think he was wondering if it had the same meaning in Mongol as it does in Turkish wich is def(one who can't speak)
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Post by schiirschach on Jun 29, 2010 6:33:16 GMT 3
I guess the most important thing is that the people do not adopt practices completely different from their native culture .. Islam was revolutionary when it started out in Arabia but like any other religion - its foundation lies with a particular region and people and it was bound to cause major upheavals when it was adopted by other cultures and has become stagnant over the years.
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Post by hjernespiser on Jun 29, 2010 8:29:30 GMT 3
I heard that no Muslim leader spoke bad about Jesus & Cristianity while most Cristian leaders did. -Is it true? The same goes for Judaists and Christians too (as Aca Shad has explained the Muslim-Christian part well). Christians respect the prophets of Judaism but the Judaists see the Christians in the same way the Christians see the Muslims. And how Muslims see followers of Bahá'u'lláh? I once visited the Bahá'í temple near Chicago; beautiful nine-sided structure.
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Post by sarmat on Jun 29, 2010 8:56:15 GMT 3
AFAIK, they are heretics for Muslims and Bahaulla movement was seriously prosecuted in Iran and some other places of Islamic world. The only religions that are supposed to be viewed "OK" are Christianity and Judaism. Christians and Jews are called "people of the Book" in Quran and they should have special rights within the Islamic Ummah (society), all the other religions are just paganism, idolatry and devil worship in the Islamic view...
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