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Post by Temüjin on Jul 31, 2007 20:10:34 GMT 3
the third point is idiotic.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 1, 2007 21:44:04 GMT 3
(Mongol)Cristians claim : -that only Jesus can save the future of Mongolia. -If Mongolia will become a Cristian country Mongolia can get help from USA or from other Europian countries. -Also Jesus was a nomad. (What do U think about it?) Completely crap ;D
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Post by Bor Chono on Aug 3, 2007 13:28:40 GMT 3
the third point is idiotic. U haven`t heard the 4th claim : -Jesus is my shepard & I`m his sheep. I will go where-ever he wants me to go. ;D
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Post by Temüjin on Aug 3, 2007 20:21:53 GMT 3
lol yes it is typical for Christian Church. the Clerics tell you what to do and you obey like blind and dumb sheeps, thats what they want...
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Post by Bor Chono on Aug 4, 2007 4:37:04 GMT 3
I think teachings of Shamanism or Tengrism is better :
TENGRI IS MY FATHER(=my creator) & ONLY HE KNOWS TO JUDGE ME OR NOT.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 4, 2007 22:37:23 GMT 3
Actually, Islam also has the same understanding.
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Post by buzkan on Aug 6, 2007 13:11:08 GMT 3
I think teachings of Shamanism or Tengrism is better : TENGRI IS MY FATHER(=my creator) & ONLY HE KNOWS TO JUDGE ME OR NOT. I agree.
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Post by mesinik on Oct 21, 2007 15:57:51 GMT 3
Did anybody hear about Rohonc(zi) Codex? I bet, this manuscript of over 200 pages (probably Christian) might belong to Turco-Tataric world. So, it should be "given back" to the original cultural context, right? (Not that it must physically be moved from its present location, but it has to find its "roots".) I hope, this forum is a good place to start with this. Recently I posted some points of view about that artifact in Wikipedia, in the section "discussion" about this quite strange manuscript (You go there, read the article, then open "discussion" to read the reason, why this is posted here in the forum of steppe history): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohonc_CodexAny opinions? Some direct links to (bad) scans of this manuscript (you will find the rest): www.dacia.org/codex/original/optm_5.jpgwww.dacia.org/codex/original/optm_9.jpgwww.dacia.org/codex/original/optm_10.jpgwww.dacia.org/codex/original/optm_14.jpgwww.dacia.org/codex/original/optm_15.jpgwww.dacia.org/codex/original/optm_16.jpgwww.dacia.org/codex/original/optm_21.jpgwww.dacia.org/codex/original/optm_25.jpgwww.dacia.org/codex/original/optm_26.jpgwww.dacia.org/codex/original/optm_29.jpgPS. Btw, I wanted to create a new topic about this. Could admins help?
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Post by sarmat on Oct 21, 2007 21:45:08 GMT 3
Wow, such a pity that I found such an interesting topic only today!
Christianity among the nomades is indeed a very interesting subjects.
It has an significant impact on Medieval European culture through the story of the Priester John, the mystical christian king from the East who was going to strike the muslims from the rear and thus help the cusaders to regain the Holy land.
In fact, the prototype of the priester John was kara-Kitai Khan Elu Dashi, who wasn't a Christian himelsf, but whose army included large numbers of Nestorian christians. Elu Dashi victory over muslim Seljuk sultan Sanjar gave birth to the legend of priester John.
Later Hulaguids invasions to the middle east was also motivated by the holy war against muslims, they allied themselves with the Christian Armenians and Byzanntinnes against Egyptian mamluks.
However, this "yellow crusade" failed because of the disgusting treason of the "Christian European Brothers" who for some reasons supported Mamluks and attacked Mongols, which played a crucial role in the falure of the "yellow crusade."
Nowdays, besides Christian Gagauz, there are some other Christian Turks.
For example, the descendants of Hunns - Chuvashs are complitely Orthodox Christians, there are also Christian groups among the Tatars called Kriashens and Nagaibaks.
Yakuts are also Orthodox Christian, some altay Turks in Russia are orthodox chrisitians.
Orthodox Christianity also has some adept among Kalmyks and Buriats.
Among the famous figures of Mongolian history who were not mentioned before, was also Sartak, the son of Batu khan.
According to some sources he was a Nestorian according to some others an Orthodox Christian, Sartak also was an anda (named brother), of the famous Russian prince Alexander Nevsky who defeated Teutonian knights with the Mongolian aid.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2007 12:54:32 GMT 3
Yakuts are also Orthodox Christian, some altay Turks in Russia are orthodox chrisitians. Orthodox Christianity also has some adept among Kalmyks and Buriats. Not all Yakut Turks are Christian, as far as I know most still follow their traditional religion. Buryats are Mongol, not Turk.
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Post by sarmat on Oct 22, 2007 21:19:20 GMT 3
Not all Yakut Turks are Christian, as far as I know most still follow their traditional religion. Your information is wrong. Most of Yakuts do not actively follow any kind of religion, though Orthodox Chrisitianity holds the strongest position in Yakutia-Sakha Buryats are Mongol, not Turk. Of course they are and nobody claimed otherwise
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Oct 23, 2007 22:02:34 GMT 3
Did anybody hear about Rohonc(zi) Codex? I bet, this manuscript of over 200 pages (probably Christian) might belong to Turco-Tataric world. So, it should be "given back" to the original cultural context, right? (Not that it must physically be moved from its present location, but it has to find its "roots".) I hope, this forum is a good place to start with this. Recently I posted some points of view about that artifact in Wikipedia, in the section "discussion" about this quite strange manuscript (You go there, read the article, then open "discussion" to read the reason, why this is posted here in the forum of steppe history): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohonc_CodexAny opinions? Some direct links to (bad) scans of this manuscript (you will find the rest): www.dacia.org/codex/original/optm_5.jpgwww.dacia.org/codex/original/optm_9.jpgwww.dacia.org/codex/original/optm_10.jpgwww.dacia.org/codex/original/optm_14.jpgwww.dacia.org/codex/original/optm_15.jpgwww.dacia.org/codex/original/optm_16.jpgwww.dacia.org/codex/original/optm_21.jpgwww.dacia.org/codex/original/optm_25.jpgwww.dacia.org/codex/original/optm_26.jpgwww.dacia.org/codex/original/optm_29.jpgPS. Btw, I wanted to create a new topic about this. Could admins help? Very interesting I shall open a new topic about that.
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Post by pantigin on Feb 10, 2008 0:11:31 GMT 3
Rabban Bar Sauma (around 1230-1294, fl. 1280 ¨C 1288), was a Mongol traveler and diplomat from China, and a follower of the Nestorian faith (see: Nestorianism in China). He was born at Beijing about the middle of the 13th century. According to Gregory Barhebraeus he was of Uyghur origin. Chinese accounts describe his heritage as "Wanggu" (Ongud), a tribe of Turkish origin classified as part of the Mongol Caste of the Yuan Dynasty.
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Post by hjernespiser on Mar 5, 2009 7:23:58 GMT 3
It is coincidentally funny that this topic came up today. This evening after dinner, there was a knock on the door. I answered it and two gentlemen stood there. One was a stocky Asian-looking guy and the other was a taller white guy. They both were wearing name tags which identified them as being members of the Church of Latter-day Saints. The white guy starts to introduce himself and his partner as "Elder Altansukh". Normally I don't give much time to these encounters. After listening a moment to Altansukh give a spiel about Jesus I inquired with him if he was Mongolian. Hehehehehe. He wanted to know how I knew and I said his name sounded Mongolian. I'm sure not many Americans he has encountered could identify a Mongolian-sounding name just as encountering a Mongolian at my front door trying to sell me brass tablets is equally rare. The fellow said he was from Ulaan Baatar. Are the Mormons doing missionary work in Mongolia? I never really asked him how he got to be a Mormon.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Mar 5, 2009 15:32:03 GMT 3
LOL, Mormon Mongolian? Now that sounds funny ;D I know Protestant missionaries in Mongolia, but never heard of Mormon one ;D ;D
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