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Post by yelenka on Sept 20, 2007 15:29:30 GMT 3
Dorogaya Yelena, this is not true at all.
I would say that "Soviet" Turks have a love-hate relationship with the Russians.
On one hand, Russians colonized, assimilated and killed many Turks. On the other, by colonizing Turks, Russians introduced them to the European civilization and progress.[/quote]
Of course, you are absoutely right that Russians have invaded our land and killed many Turks. In Turkmenistan, January 12th is a National Mourning Day, that is the day of the Gokdepe Battle, when the Russians invaded southern Turkmenistan. It was one of the most brutal battles in Central Asia (that century). Almost the entire population of the Gokdepe Teke tribe was wiped out. And as a Turkmen, I am very proud that Turkmens put up a great fight to preserve their independence. But I am also proud that today in Turkmenistan, there is no hatred for Russians and the population of Turkmenistan simply mourns those that have deceased in the battle, without pointing fingers at anyone. Wouldn't you agree that hate is a very unproductive force?
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Sept 20, 2007 22:57:21 GMT 3
But I am also proud that today in Turkmenistan, there is no hatred for Russians The reason for that idyll maybe the fact that today in Turkmenistan there are virtually no Russians left. And the influence of Russia (neo-imperial ideology, propaganda, etc.) is in no way comparable to that in Kazakstan.
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Post by yelenka on Sept 21, 2007 15:20:56 GMT 3
I'd say you were right if Russians left Turkmenistan because of the systematic societal discrimination or violence against them. But even when there was a substantial Russian minority in the country, that was not the case. Actually, I'd say there were almost as many Turkmens leaving the country as there were Russians. The reason for that was lack of opportunities in the job market, education, etc. Today, there are sizeable Turkmen communities in Turkey and Russia, mostly. As for the Russian influence, of course you can't compare it to the influence Russia has on Kazakstan. Cultural influence has diminished but not political or economic in some ways. Let's face it, unfortunately, Russia is still controlling our gas exports to the most part... We're tied.
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Post by nijat on Feb 17, 2008 22:41:31 GMT 3
This is the evry point, that many turkic people countries are in fact economically dependant from Russian Federation.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Oct 8, 2009 12:56:28 GMT 3
I recently read that 15 Turkish lieutenant-ranked pilots died while serving in missions for the British Royal Air Force during WWII.
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Post by ALTAR on Oct 8, 2009 23:27:23 GMT 3
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Oct 9, 2009 23:59:21 GMT 3
Yes, those Cypriot units in the British army really fought Worldwide, from Burma against the Japanese up to Thesally, Crete, Libya and Egypt against the Germans and Italians.
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Post by ALTAR on Oct 11, 2009 11:33:27 GMT 3
Books about Turks in WWII Patrik Von Zür Mühlen - ZWISCHEN HAKENKREUZ UND SOWJETSTERN (Btwn Swastika and Red Star) It was also published in Turkish too. I strongly suggest and advice. Its a nice resource book about the turks in WWII. Cengiz Özkarabekir - Her Cephede Savaştık
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Oct 11, 2009 13:37:33 GMT 3
I watched the documentary version of that book in tv several years ago Read the second book as well.
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Post by atabek on Jun 3, 2010 5:53:43 GMT 3
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Post by atabek on Jun 3, 2010 5:54:57 GMT 3
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Post by sarmat on Jun 3, 2010 7:33:50 GMT 3
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Post by Temüjin on Dec 9, 2010 0:33:23 GMT 3
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Post by sarmat on Dec 9, 2010 2:01:17 GMT 3
Yeah, but those guys didn't take part in WWII...
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Post by Temüjin on Dec 9, 2010 21:14:32 GMT 3
yeah it was before ww2 but it belongs to the wider context of ww2.
KMT had elite Muslim cavalry formations right up until the Chinese Civil war, this was just one of those formatiosn that i came across. i'm still trying to find more infos on those.
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