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Post by Bor Chono on Sept 7, 2007 12:25:19 GMT 3
do you mean me or Chinggis Khaan? I mean U Why U were arguing about Ungern Khan`s blood line?
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Sept 7, 2007 13:08:36 GMT 3
BTW, patriarch of Moscow, Alexey II, is relative of Ungern Khan and Estonian.
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Post by Temüjin on Sept 7, 2007 15:52:15 GMT 3
I mean U Why U were arguing about Ungern Khan`s blood line? well, would you not argue if a Japanese would claim Chinggis Khaan was Japanese? BTW, patriarch of Moscow, Alexey II, is relative of Ungern Khan and Estonian. according to wikipedia: "He was born as Aleksei Ridiger (Russian: Aleksei Mikhailovich Ridiger, Алексей Михайлович Ридигер) in Tallinn, Estonia, to the family of Russian emigrants; he is a descendant of the German Baltic nobility clan of von Rüdiger, a branch of which adopted Orthodoxy in the 18th century." there is no mention of Sternberg anyways... btw, some Estonians also claim Scottish general Barclay de Tolly was Estonian, do you think so too?
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Sept 7, 2007 18:33:54 GMT 3
Well, I have not ever claimed that Ungern Khan was Finnish. I have said that he was is Estonian/Prussian/Hunnish.
I heard that from my Prussian friend.
Well, wikipedia is not always reliable.
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Post by Temüjin on Sept 7, 2007 19:04:32 GMT 3
he was none of those, von Sternberg noble family was originally from Austria, so he was not even Prussian. also, no modern living person can be traced back to Huns scientifically nor by genealogy.
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Post by Bor Chono on Sept 10, 2007 18:29:25 GMT 3
OK!
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Post by Temüjin on Sept 10, 2007 19:42:58 GMT 3
well, what i wanted to say is, it is not important to fake his background to make him Hun (steppe people). apparently he was able to win symphaties of Mongols at least for some time even though he was foreign.
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Sept 11, 2007 14:10:05 GMT 3
Well, if some man from Taiwan can follow his traces from Kungfutse.
If I would fake Ungern background, I would say that he was Finn from Central-Finland lakeside.
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Post by Temüjin on Sept 11, 2007 17:54:10 GMT 3
yes but what evidence is there to assume he was not an Austrian nobleman? the oldest european family can trace back its origin no more than to the 13th century. and Russia had really a lot of Baltic German Generals. i don't say Huns had no descendants today. i could say i have Hun blood! but i can't proove it...
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Post by Bor Chono on Sept 11, 2007 18:56:36 GMT 3
And about Buryat-mixing, I have question to Bor Chono: Wasn't Ataman Semjonov/Semenov (Leader of Trans-Baikal Cossacks and Ungern Khan's ally) Buryat+Cossack mixture? Oh my! I didn`t see this question! -sorry for late answer! I don`t know really!
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Post by dilisang on Sept 12, 2007 3:52:30 GMT 3
i don't say Huns had no descendants today. i could say i have Hun blood! but i can't proove it... A Hun does not need to prove anything ... ;D
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Post by mig007 on Aug 9, 2011 18:51:19 GMT 3
Baron ungern exaggerated when he took the power, and was looked as tyrann. So the communists appeared as teh saviours.
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