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Post by Verinen Paroni on Aug 19, 2006 15:21:55 GMT 3
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Post by Atabeg on Aug 19, 2006 16:11:13 GMT 3
why did he had the title khan?
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Aug 19, 2006 17:35:16 GMT 3
why did he had the title khan? Forum's Mongolian member's words: He also married Bogdo Khan's daughter. And I think that he deserved that name after his victory of chinese occupation-troops in Mongolia. And he was also royal-family, because Von Ungern-Sternberg's ancestor was some royal Hun-chief (I don't know about that much). Well, he was white general also in Russian civil war, but he refused to join to Koltshak alliance.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 19, 2006 18:08:33 GMT 3
Can someone please write a short life-story of Von Ungern-Stenberg? Thank you for the pictures
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Aug 19, 2006 18:21:26 GMT 3
www.answers.com/topic/roman-ungern-von-sternbergHere is some article, but I don't trust that 100% at all... It includes many wrong claims. Only "russian nationalism" was his anticommunism. And he called russians to lower people. That terror was not against Mongolian people, but against harmful minorities like jews, chinese (What those nations did in Mongolia anyway?).
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 19, 2006 18:39:06 GMT 3
Thank you for the info He seems to be a mad-man. What do you think?
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Aug 19, 2006 18:45:27 GMT 3
Thank you for the info He seems to be a mad-man. What do you think? Well, I consider him to Great Hero, because he fought for good things in my opinion.
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Post by Boorchi Noyan on Aug 19, 2006 19:02:18 GMT 3
Thank you verinenparoni for greeting that leader to us. I think he is admirable...
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Aug 19, 2006 23:02:45 GMT 3
He made many good things, also outside of military:
After cleansing Urga of Chinese influence, Ungern-Sternberg settled down to the business of consolidating his victory. To prove his skills in the field of peace, he restored the Boghd Khan to the throne and disinfected the city sewers. Then he embarked on a sequence of reforms, which helped to turn the picturesque and dangerous capital into the soulless place it has remained since. But positive results came from some of his ideas. He introduced paper currency, built bridges and arranged a public transport system. He founded a library of religious texts and opened schools where Mongols could study their culture.
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Post by Bor Chono on Aug 20, 2006 13:32:50 GMT 3
I start that thread with few pics: I think first pic must be this way : He is wearing Mongol coat (=Deel).
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Aug 20, 2006 22:39:39 GMT 3
I start that thread with few pics: I think first pic must be this way : He is wearing Mongol coat (=Deel). You are right;) See coloured pic;)
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Post by Bor Chono on Aug 21, 2006 14:43:41 GMT 3
Very nice flag! A Horse shoe placed up like Mongol moon, on yellow color. I guess yellow symbolize Mongolian Buddism. At that time Yellow Buddism was dominant -Mongols call "Yellow religion". Victory was important so he didn`t care about religion (right/wrong true or not) like The Great Khaan. Wise ppl have 2 religions. One for idiology & one for yourself. For example : Me Buddist -I want peace. I don`t want eternal battle with good & evil. But If I`m really bad I ask Tengri to help. When I`m wrestling I ask Mother nature to help.
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Aug 21, 2006 15:03:59 GMT 3
Very nice flag! A Horse shoe placed up like Mongol moon, on yellow color. I guess yellow symbolize Mongolian Buddism. At that time Yellow Buddism was dominant -Mongols call "Yellow religion". Victory was important so he didn`t care about religion (right/wrong true or not) like The Great Khaan. Wise ppl have 2 religions. One for idiology & one for yourself. For example : Me Buddist -I want peace. I don`t want eternal battle with good & evil. But If I`m really bad I ask Tengri to help. When I`m wrestling I ask Mother nature to help. He said something like "There is no good or bad, neither life or death". He was Buddhist and Shamanist and in that time victory really was the most important, like it is now. I also want peace, but truth is that peace comes only with war. But if you have to fight, then fight for good reason.
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Post by Atabeg on Aug 21, 2006 19:20:15 GMT 3
chono did you entered the tournement this year ;D
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Post by Bor Chono on Aug 21, 2006 19:51:07 GMT 3
I do believe that he(=Baron Ungern) was the true Messenger of Tengri =led by Tengri. ;D Bogda Gegeen(=Lord Enlightened) was unique person. He was the last king(=Khaan) of Mongols. But he wasn`t a descendant of The Great Khaan. Instead he was a foreigner! -A Tibetian priest. I heard that Manchu Khaan sent (as spy) him to control Mongols, declaring him The Mongolian Buddism Leader(=Pope). So he had almost limitless power in Ar Mongolia. I guess he came to Mongolia in young age. Bogda Gegeen Javzandamba Khagaan Hospitality & kindness of Mongols made him a Mongol. Manchu almost became Chinese. 202.179.0.110/phpBB2/files/manj_hujaa_nar_mongol_huniig_tamlan_alj_baina_184.jpg(criminal againt Manchu rule used to die by horrible torture) He led successful revolt against Manchu in 1911. Mongolia become almost(=fully) independant & He became a Khagaan. Outnumbered but strong Mongol army led by 2 famouse generals rode untill The Great Wall & stoped. (one of his Generals Manlai Van Damidansuren -he was arrested later by chinese & died standing in prison A TRUE HERO!) They rode in lightning speed. It is said that every temple were preying for victory. Also before going battle Mongols prepared a curse on Manchu. I heard that one of Generals offered to Bogda Gegeen "-What if we take Beijin? We just need a lot of bullets!" So Bogda Gegeen asked White Khagaan(=Russian Tsar) for supply. He refused, even more he ordered him to pull off his army!. Russia & China descided to make Ar Mongol autonomy of China. Russia takes Buryat. China takes Inner Mongolia. Bogda Gegeen had no option. He just said "Wait my children, our time will come." (Then Tengri takes his action & makes whole world messy, Russian Tsar (is killed) & Manchu king both loses their power.) When real Chinese took power over Manchu. They invaded Mongolia with 10000 men & makes Bogda Gegeen to bow to Chinese president. Bogda Gegeen was still saying "-Wait my children". Some Mongols asked Red Russians for help. But they refused because it was not useful them to fight againt Chinese who also enthroned their king. I mean Red Russians & Chinese were on one side =same. Then a letter came "A Noble Russian Knight wanted to enter the country & he was asking to clean it from it`s enemies" Bogda Gegeen said "The hun(=person) I was, waiting for, has come".(Yes yes he was one of the few who could tell the future!). Then he(=Baron Ungern) came & did all the good things that Verinenparoni said -maybe he used bit savage ways. (I end my post here! continue later if there is something left ).
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