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Post by Bor Chono on Aug 25, 2006 13:23:48 GMT 3
Hmm.. I`ve noticed that I`m very proud of being Mongol but doesn`t know much about Mongolian famouse ppl. I`ll try to introduce some famouse Mongolians. I will need a help from other Mongol members! Dashdorj Natatsagdorj. A Great poet & one of The Main Historians in Mongolian history. U know I call Mongol historians as Mongol wiseness. Special about him is -He is the true descendant of The Great Khaan. I say : NICE LOOKING GREAT PERSON. (Nadad tuslaltsaa heregtei baina!=I need help!)
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Post by tengrikut on Aug 25, 2006 14:40:39 GMT 3
hey who is he :
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Post by Bor Chono on Aug 28, 2006 13:43:04 GMT 3
hey who is he : Every one ask about him! -He is Mongolian Cuneyt! hehehe... ;D An actor, his name is Jargalsaikhan. In movie "Munkh Tengeriin Huchun Dor"="Under Powerful Eternal Blue Sky" I guess he was Havt Hasar.
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Post by horka on Sept 7, 2006 16:15:36 GMT 3
Bor Chono have you world wide famous persons? Of course other than Djinkis Kahn I would happy to hear about them.
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Post by Bor Chono on Sept 10, 2006 12:10:13 GMT 3
Bor Chono have you world wide famous persons? Of course other than Djinkis Kahn I would happy to hear about them. Hmm...There is a women!, a singer -the most famouse person in Mongolia also world wide. I hope I find her pic & info soon. For now : (Bad Bagabandi! Bad!) I guess Mongolian second president Bagabandi is quite famouse among politics. His idea was to create zones where U can`t use any Nuclear power. Good point is U can`t dump Nuclear waste in Mongolia.(=Seems like Mongolia is protected from Nuclear bomb) For me, Bad point is Mongols can`t build a Nuclear plant in Mongolia.Thats a HUGE problem!!!. Bad Bagabandi! Bad!
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Sept 10, 2006 18:58:37 GMT 3
But he has good relationships with Turkey
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Post by Boorchi Noyan on Sept 11, 2006 2:13:50 GMT 3
But he has good relationships with Turkey exactly, I like him...
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Post by anda on Sept 12, 2006 19:36:18 GMT 3
[/URL] Dashdorj Natatsagdorj. A Great poet Special about him is -He is the true descendant of The Great Khaan.[/quote] This name Onohui Uizen is questionable. 17. Onohui Uizen was 3rd son of Gersenz Jalair Khuntaiji
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Post by Bor Chono on Sept 13, 2006 5:14:31 GMT 3
Anda thanks for help!
btw who the hell are U always saying quetionable in ppl`s origin.!? U didn`t tell what Mongol U are in "Introduce yourself" page!
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Post by anda on Sept 16, 2006 2:22:01 GMT 3
Damdiny Sukhbaatar
Peter Symes
When was the last time you saw a portrait of Damdiny Sühbaatar? It was probably the last time you were thumbing through a dealer’s inventory of banknotes and came to ‘Mongolia’. For a few nations there is one man who represents the country. In much the same way the Mahatma Gandhi represents India and Mohammed Ali Jinnah symbolizes Pakistan, Damdiny Sühbaatar exemplifies Mongolia. However, unlike Gandhi and Jinnah, very little information about Sühbaatar is easily available outside Mongolia.
In Mongolia, Sühbaatar (often spelt ‘Suhebaatar’) is regarded as a hero because of his role as a founding father of the modern communist state. While he was not the principal character in the formation of modern Mongolia, he is represented by the communist state as its greatest hero. Sühbaatar was born in February 1893 when Mongolia was part of the Eastern Mongolia. Dariganga during Chinese Manchu Qing empire. His name, Sühbaatar, means ‘axe hero’ and he was given this name after his father, Damdin, had lost an axe in the river Uliastay. He worked at traditional agrarian jobs while young, and received an education in Mongolian and arithmetic during his youth.
In 1911 the Manchu Qing dynasty collapsed and, following an agreement between Russia and China, Mongolia was established as an autonomous state within China. The Bogd Khan was appointed head of state. The Bogd Khan was a Bogd Gegeen, or ‘enlightened one’, within Mongolian Lamaism and the Bogd Khan was believed to be the incarnation of an early Buddhist leader. Buddhism has been an important part of life within Mongolia for centuries and Sühbaatar’s brother had followed a traditional calling by becoming a lama.
In 1912 Sühbaatar was drafted into the army of Autonomous Mongolia and attended military school, under the tuition of Russian instructors. He excelled at the training school and, on graduation, he was made platoon commander of a machine-gun company. In 1918 he was transferred to an administrative job, typesetting laws and religious texts for the Bogd Khan.
In 1919 the Chinese returned to Mongolia and demanded the resignation of the Mongolian Government, which occurred in 1920. The Mongolian army was subsequently disbanded and Sühbaatar became unemployed. However, in 1919 Sühbaatar had formed a secret nationalist group and in 1920 his group joined with another. Members of the combined group then made contact with Russian revolutionaries. After initial contact, the group formed themselves into the Mongolian People’s Party and drew up a formal request for assistance from the Bosheviks, which received approval from the Bogd Khan who set his seal to the document. The request for assistance was looked upon favourably in Moscow and led to numerous visits by members of the Mongolian People’s Party to Russia.
In February 1921 Sühbaatar was made commander in chief of the Mongolian People’s Army and a month later he was made a member of the provisional government. During 1921 Sühbaatar conducted successful attacks on Russian Tsarist forces that occupied parts of Mongolia and in late 1921 he was part of a delegation that visited Moscow to meet Lenin. On his return to Mongolia he continued to build the army and in September 1922 he was awarded the title ‘Zorigt Baatar’, or ‘Resolute Hero’. On 20 February 1923 Damidny Sühbaatar died from illness, although there have been accusations that he was poisoned.
Sühbaatar was one of a number of early revolutionaries in Mongolia. While some are remembered with distinction, others have fallen into disrepute as fortunes changed during the struggle for power within the Communist Party. Sühbaatar remains one on whom favour has not only remained, but grown with the passage of time. Current Mongolian histories exaggerate his deeds and play down, or ignore, the deeds of his compatriots. However, whatever the rights and wrongs of the record of history, Sühbaatar is today the hero of Mongolia.
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Sept 16, 2006 11:37:43 GMT 3
I would not call Ungern to Tsarist.
And he was liberator, not occupator to Mongolia.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Sept 16, 2006 16:04:16 GMT 3
Thank you anda What I would like to know is what was Damdyn Sükhbaatar's ideology.
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Sept 16, 2006 18:42:49 GMT 3
Thank you anda What I would like to know is what was Damdyn Sükhbaatar's ideology. I would like to know that too, because though he is called communist, I wonder how communist he actually was... I know that Choybalsan was pure commie...
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Post by anda on Sept 17, 2006 1:57:47 GMT 3
Actually no one in early 1921-1924 were communists at all. Mongolian Peoples's Party (Volk's Partei) was more like nationalist party devoted for Mongolian Independance. Head of Mongolia was still Bogdo Khan. ------------------------------------------------------- Mongolia in XX century After Manj Qing Dynasty Collapse, Mongolia imediately declared its Independance. Of course, Chinese government in Beijing did not agree with that.
1 Dec 1911 -1919 -Mongolia (Bogd Haan State).
19 Feb 1920 reannexation to China. Chinese warlord in Beijing sent army of 10000 gomingdan soldier. With Mongol collabrator they successfully annexed Mongolia. This really turned Mongolians into revolutionary mood. anti-chinese ideology was in its climax.
In th spring of 1920, Baron Ungern stormed Huree (Urga) released Bogd Khan from Chinese house arrest.
3 Feb 1921 Mongolia (Bogd Haan State)
28 Nov 1924 Mongolian People's Republic 12 Feb 1992 till now Mongolia or Republic of Mongolia -------------------------------------------------------
After 1924, The same party changed it is name into Mongolian Peoples Revolutionary Party. Mongolia declared itself as second communist country in the world. Mongolians start importing communist ideology with help of Comintern advisers. There were struggle of leftist and rightist, stalinist purge, collectivization, industrilization, brezhnev stagnant period , everything was like mini- copy of USSR.
I am sure that Mongolians are still thankful for communizm which pulled us out of middle age.
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Post by Bor Chono on Sept 17, 2006 10:43:05 GMT 3
What I would like to know is what was Damdyn Sükhbaatar's ideology. I heard that Suhbaatar recieved a title Taiji=Lord from Bogda Gegeen. It means he became a nobleman. He wasn`t against Khaan`s rule. More likely he was for Khaan`s rule. So he was murdered. btw -He didn`t meet Lenin.
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