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Post by firdus on Oct 7, 2005 7:39:47 GMT 3
to be honest ,actuallly this is called pan_turkism !!! well ,to me ,I don't agree with it nor disagree with it !! it is actually a dream !!! but I love all turks !!!
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Post by tengrikut on May 9, 2006 15:31:04 GMT 3
it's not so hard to create a union. it has been for 4 times. why not for 5th one?
but our first goal a union like european union. an economical and custom union.
don't forget that, when first Kok Turk Khanate was occipied by china, who says that turks will create a powerfull khanate and will gather all of the turanian tribes under a flag. but it became real.
i don't say it will be in 10 years. but i believe that today's situation will not continue. Ataturk says that, "i believe that turanian union will be real. but i'm upset that i won't see that days."
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Post by Bor Chono on May 9, 2006 16:08:23 GMT 3
Kazak ppl live in bowing Gers :  Turks, Bolgars, Hungars did too But mongols live in different not bowing Gers :  Like gers from Kazak, Uighurs to Turks they all Muslims, but Mongols are mostly Buddists. It it possible that you will accept Mongols? ;D I hate to be united with Chine, Korea, Japan....I mean North Eastern Asian Union -maybe it is just me.  |
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Post by tengrikut on May 10, 2006 22:56:25 GMT 3
Kazak ppl live in bowing Gers : Turks, Bolgars, Hungars did too But mongols live in different not bowing Gers : Like gers from Kazak, Uighurs to Turks they all Muslims, but Mongols are mostly Buddists. It it possible that you will accept Mongols? ;D I hate to be united with Chine, Korea, Japan....I mean North Eastern Asian Union -maybe it is just me. i'm not muslim  but %70 of turks are muslim. i perefer all turanians not only turks. ofcourse i perefer firstly turks and mongols. bec i'm 1/4 mongol  |
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Post by altaicmongol on Aug 28, 2006 5:23:44 GMT 3
It's impossible to unite them, too many hostile ethnic and Non-Turkic groups. Who will deal with all those Armenians, Georgians, Kurds, a-hell-lot-of Caucasian peoples, Kalmuks, Russians, Tajiks, Han Chinese, etc? Besides, there's a natural and ever-going rivalry between nomadic/semi-nomadic and sedentary Turks like Uzbeks, Kazaks, Kyrgyz and Uyghurs. Ah, you hater, Kalmyks are Mongols man. I am half Kalymk ethnically and racially. They just moved to Eastern Europe to escapre genocide from the Khalkha, so they aren't like Armenians or Russians. They are also Central Asian Altaic people living in someone else's land. |
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Post by tangriberdi on Sept 15, 2006 22:17:39 GMT 3
To talk frankly, as long as Turkey turns her face to Europe and America, has a wild capitalist economy that consumes her up, not regain her full independence-I think she is not- and think she is only , the most important and big brother Turkish land, unification will be nothing but a sweet dream for at least Turkic people( Mongolians and other volunteers should wait)
Road map for unification among Turkic people begins from Turkey, but we should not forget that it passes through Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and ends in East Turkistan, the homeland of Uygurs. So we can never superimpose the leadership and sovereignty of Turkey upon these countries. Sovereignty should be shared and representation should be equally for each participant in such a union.
What Turkey should do to gain sympathy among Turkistanis is just being a national state not being a westernized state. She is not independent. Unless she gave up EU dreams completely and cancel all the international treaties and agreements regarding this issue, she cannot even get one step closer to Central Asia, let alone be united with.
For such a unification Turkey and Uzbekistan should necesarily find a solution for their Iranian populations namely and respectively Kurds and Tajiks. Disintegration or something else . But it should be democratic in every aspect.
Concerning Turkey, another problem is Kurdicization. Kurdish population will have reached 48% of total population of Turkey by 2050 and it is estimated that Turks in Turkey will become a minority in their own country. Can such a country unite with Central Asia? Can she remain integrated, undivided or stabilized even within her own boundaries? The same or similiar situation is also valid for Uzbekistan in which Tajiks make up the 25% of total population.
Beyond these facts, Uzbekistan was( I do not know whether she is still) pro-American, while Kazakhstan was Pro-Russian. Turkmenistan declared neutralization. Being neutral, can Turkmenistan join such a union while Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan are still struggling. Also nationalization process of each state is going on. The Kazakh are Kazakh nationalists, Uzbeks are Uzbek nationalists. Or worse the Kyrgyz recognized Russian as second official state language. None of these countries want to be united under the name Turk. Uzbekistan follows such a policy and doctrinization denying the Turkishness of Uzbek people. They say we are not Turks but Turkic.
Anatolian Ottomans are Turks now , we are just Uzbeks.
Or should Turkey give up her country name or turn it into Western Turkmenistan? or something else? in order to open a door for Turkistani Turks to call themselves as Turks?
Economy and sources to finance such a union do not exist in any of these countries or in all of them together.
Assuming such a union appeared, how would it do with Armenia that divides the huge Turkish Union Country, or Kurds who will be majority of Turkey? What will happen to Turkic Republic of Northern Cyprus? What will happen to Daðlýk Karabað/ Daðlýq Qarabaq/Daðlýk Qarabag/Toghlik Qorabog'/ Tawdyq Qarabag=Nagorno Karabag between Azerbaijan and Armenia?
If Turkey did not send even a helicoper to cary wounded Azerbaijani soldiers during Qarabaq War or Kazakhstan declared full recognition of Southern Cyriot Greek Region as a soverign State of whole Cyprus island, and if these Turkic countries cannot do anything but assembling Turkic Qurultais of mockery , trivial ad mariginal grops heading and if they cannnot form at least a common external policy/foreign pol,icy, nothing in the name of unification should be among expectations. Fist step of Turkic unification is torecognize Turkic Republic of Northern Cyrprus. Why do not Central Asians recognize it? Is it sisterhood of these countries. Or Uzbeks support Armenians? These hurt. Each day passing increases enmity among Turk states. Media of each Central Asian country show the negihbouring country as enemy or rival. No media organization remind people, that country is sister to their sister. They are of same stock share the same religion , sect, culture, language, history. Eventually that they are one nation of more states. Do not dream in vain. We all fell apart, and we need a miracle. Someone like Mustafa Kemal Atatürk.
There are big problems.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Sept 16, 2006 0:34:28 GMT 3
You speak very logical  |
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Post by Atabeg on Sept 16, 2006 14:45:00 GMT 3
personaly I think the CA countries should make a union without turkey. You need to have strong basis to work with first
(turkmenistan, kazakistan ozbekistan kyrgizistan) basis
than add azerbaycan later if established a good and working union between the original coutries.
how long can russia keep those automomus regions sme for china. mabey 20 years so what. During that time the original counties could and should establish arich and powerfull union economicly and millitary. Than they can help the other countries to join them and become better.(this is how the EU did it)
note/ I think turkey should only join if azerbaycan gets karabag back unless that happens there is no land to connect them.
this is just my point of view
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Post by tangriberdi on Sept 16, 2006 16:46:27 GMT 3
personaly I think the CA countries should make a union without turkey. You need to have strong basis to work with first (turkmenistan, kazakistan ozbekistan kyrgizistan) basis than add azerbaycan later if established a good and working union between the original coutries. how long can russia keep those automomus regions sme for china. mabey 20 years so what. During that time the original counties could and should establish arich and powerfull union economicly and millitary. Than they can help the other countries to join them and become better.(this is how the EU did it) note/ I think turkey should only join if azerbaycan gets karabag back unless that happens there is no land to connect them. this is just my point of view Yes that is right. First Turkistanis should make a union. For example Turkmenistan and Uzbekkistan can get united, a few years(5 to 10) would be spent to adaptation for renationalization as Turks. A common language based on common texts and words must be constructed for official matters. High School and University education must be given in this language. Economic sources should be reorganized and investments should have priorities in equal amounts to both mebers.This (Turkistan republic ) can accept new members in it in later periods of time. (eu style enlargement). Separatist Tajiks should be deprived of the right of citizenship and sent to Tajikistan. During the process of Kazakhstan's candidacy, Russians which make her 45% should be deported. Even if these are just kidding, it is scary to say...  Stop dreaming come back to earth. Do you believe giants like Ruysia China America Eu would ever let you Turks get United? Be realistic. It will be one day, but not today or tomorrow. It will take considerably long time. |
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Post by Jagatai Khan on Sept 18, 2006 23:22:21 GMT 3
Today I watched Turkic World Qurultai.It was good at speeches.
I hope Turkic countries can support each other in Karabakh, Cyprus and other political and economical issues.
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Post by kokturk on Sept 19, 2006 18:23:27 GMT 3
When I was in East Turkistan, many Uygurs and other Turks in that region told me they're just waiting for the right leader to unite them. When that time comes, we're going all out. Yes My Brother , Thats Why We Still Call It Eastern Turkistan More Than Uyghuristan To Remind Our Selfs That If We Are The Easterns Turks Then That Means That There Are Weasterns ... Anyway , i Hope That We Can See It Soon Before We Die. We all wait the Chosen One. The one with blood in his palm! |
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Post by dardanos on Sept 19, 2006 19:16:40 GMT 3
We name this idea as Turanizm.Turkish Republic boards are certain from Misak-ý Milli and Lozan.But we can share our cultures of course.
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Post by Nomad (Daz) on Sept 19, 2006 19:20:00 GMT 3
Yes My Brother , Thats Why We Still Call It Eastern Turkistan More Than Uyghuristan To Remind Our Selfs That If We Are The Easterns Turks Then That Means That There Are Weasterns ... Anyway , i Hope That We Can See It Soon Before We Die. We all wait the Chosen One. The one with blood in his palm! I don't wait for the miracle. I creat the miracle thats my moto. We don't wait for others to choose our path. If it was choosen then no worries, if not that doesn't matter to us. Changes thats what makes life so wonderfull. |
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Post by Nomad (Daz) on Sept 19, 2006 19:36:56 GMT 3
Pan-Turkism is possible. Sure we have some problems on our way like a stone on our road but its only a stone. Some say we should wait for god messenger to come to unite us well I think if we do it we will be counted as the messengers. The was one guy his name was Ryskulov he lived at the foundation of Bolshivizm and Communizm. In 20th(?) he pre claimed Pan-Turkizm and united the Turik nations. The Commision send by Moskow to check the things done by Ryskulov voted 3 out of 5 for the creation of one Country. Lenin was so affraid of this he recalled Ryskulov and made him second in charge in a ministry of Internal Affairs after Stalin. 1939(?) he was executed by secret order from Stalin. Stalin used to call him "Chingis Khan". I would publish more information about him later.
My point was that Pan-Turkizm is real. Ryskulov once did it.
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Post by Bor Chono on Sept 20, 2006 13:20:23 GMT 3
I read the words of Tengriberdi, & seems like I understood why it was crazy idea.(-I also heard about terrorist problems in Turkey). I guess Pan-Turkism is possible but it seems like Pan-Mongolism is not.  |
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