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Post by Temüjin on May 5, 2007 17:39:29 GMT 3
why are you always talking about race? it is about culture. many more countries that are small won against bigger enemies, this is not something uncommon in history, especially after the advent of Guerillia Warfare. if the Chinese population sees the Chinese forces humilated by a few Steppe Guerillias they will soon lose faith in their government and overthrow it, because they lost teh madnate of heaven. this is what Chinese still believe in. even such countries like Taiwan exist and proove the weakness of China. Russia can't even win in Afghansitan 1979 or now in Chechnia, what chance will their mighty forces stand against much larger armies from the Steppe?
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Post by karakhan on May 15, 2007 23:31:56 GMT 3
How do Mongols outside of Mongolia feel?
Fortunately most of the Mongol groups are near each other. Buryats are right up north of Mongolia, and the Inner Mongolians right down south.
the ones that are too distant are the Kalmyks, and some of the Muslim Mongol minorities of Gansu and Qinghai (Dongxiang, Tu, etc).
Do Buryats have strong pan-Mongol feelings?
When it comes to Turkic peoples, not all feel strongly Pan-Turkic, there are some who have strong feelings towards other Turkic groups which makes them want to stay separate from them.
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Post by naaya on Jul 22, 2007 19:52:00 GMT 3
I think Mongols don't have the consciousness to be a nation. That is why they can't unite. But that doesn't mean they won't. I really believe they will... hey a am a Mongolian... and real one
1st reason that u dont hier nothing from us... russia and china 2ns most of the mongol populations live outside the borders like 4 million in china and some in russia donno how many about 3 million.
in mongolia there is only 2,7 that is why
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Post by reedak on Aug 18, 2009 17:10:25 GMT 3
How's about re-uniting Outer Mongolia with Inner Mongolia as one Mongolia of China?
For our Pan-Turkist friend, why not return Istanbul (Constantinople) and the surrounding western territory to the rightful owner of Greece?
By the way, I am very happy if my Mongol friends can rule Turkey again.
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Post by hjernespiser on Aug 18, 2009 17:49:54 GMT 3
Why Greece? Constantinople is properly in Asia. Greece is in Europa. We should find some Bythnians and give it to them.
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Post by reedak on Aug 18, 2009 18:09:38 GMT 3
Why Greece? Constantinople is properly in Asia. Greece is in Europa. We should find some Bythnians and give it to them. Constantinople is properly in Asia? Please go back to your primary school to study history and geography, and come back to tell me later.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 18, 2009 20:34:26 GMT 3
We don't need such fools in our place. Banned.
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Post by fun on Aug 18, 2009 21:32:09 GMT 3
about Buryats in Russia... maybe if Mongolia is wealthy enough they can buy it back like Alaska, afterall the area hasn't much ressources to speak of, but unfortunately the Trans-siberian railroad goes directly to the territory so it is of strategic importance to the Russians. Good idea! Nothing is impossible! Perhaps one day Russia becomes so poor that it has to kneel down before Mongolia like a beggar before a king. I suggest that all Mongols should begin tightening up their belts now, eat less and save up every coin they have so as to buy back Buryats from the Russians one day. Unfortunately, I am afraid that it will take countless generations for Mongolia to save up the required amount to buy back Buryats. As for the Trans-Siberian Railway, it is no problem for Mongolia once it buys back the land, just get the whole Mongol population to demolish the railway track and turn it into a horse-racing track. Then the Mongols will have a lot of fun. Some lucky ones may even win a small fortune by betting on horses. Suddenly I remember something about Genghiz Khan and the Mongol ancestors. Why take the trouble to buy? Have all Mongols forgotten this? I come, I see, I take!
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Post by sarmat on Aug 18, 2009 22:20:25 GMT 3
Good idea! Nothing is impossible! Perhaps one day Russia becomes so poor that it has to kneel down before Mongolia like a beggar before a king. I suggest that all Mongols should begin tightening up their belts now, eat less and save up every coin they have so as to buy back Buryats from the Russians one day. Yeah, keep dreaming. Out of almost 1 million of Byriatia population only 270 thousand are actual Buryats. Transiberian railroad is actually of strategic importance for Mongolia itself. Why do you think the independent Mongol state exist at all. It's only because Chine doesn't want to irritate Russia. But if China moves in the North, how the friendly Russian troops are going to be transported to support Mongolia, by what means? There was a joke in 1980th. Mongolian army should be strong enough to hold the Chinese for one hour, should they invade. Just enough time to call Moscow for help...
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Post by fun on Aug 19, 2009 7:14:00 GMT 3
Yeah, keep dreaming. Out of almost 1 million of Byriatia population only 270 thousand are actual Buryats. Transiberian railroad is actually of strategic importance for Mongolia itself. Why do you think the independent Mongol state exist at all. It's only because Chine doesn't want to irritate Russia. But if China moves in the North, how the friendly Russian troops are going to be transported to support Mongolia, by what means? There was a joke in 1980th. Mongolian army should be strong enough to hold the Chinese for one hour, should they invade. Just enough time to call Moscow for help... Saran said: “We dream of one big Mongol state with some 8 million people all united and love each other dearly, taking our land back from China and Russia” aca said: “But you shouldn't let the bear in your house... The Bear will only make a mess... as usual.” Now the Bear is roaring loudly, shaking with fury and insulting the Mongolian army with a nasty joke. Should we flee with panic or bravely kick the Bear like an ass?
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Post by Subu'atai on Aug 19, 2009 16:11:19 GMT 3
d**n it, I really have to go! But I'll explain as much as I can before I have to head off again. I wish I have more time to give you all insight into this but oh well. Ne ways: Mongols worldwide still have a lot of potential, many are getting smart and actually elevating themselves through financial endeavors. Empires rise and fall through economics these days. However the reality of the situation is that like Turks, Mongols can barely get along with other Mongols. Let alone each other!!! Ever since the passing of Chingghis Khaan the Mongol states split and fought amongst themselves for centuries even up to merely 300 years ago. Due to past mistakes Pan-Mongolism exists as an ideal to prevent such from happening again, and to hopefully repair the damage - but the reality is that the damage has already been done. Not to mention the majority of Mongols nowadays are very peaceful people who just want to live a good life with no interest of patriotism. Take Kalmyks for example, the financial conditions of the country are encouraging them to migrate to the United States instead of staying and struggling to develop the country. For nomads, you may ask, where is home? Truth is, your home is where you choose to take it. With Pan-Mongolists you get some who are only interested in bringing understanding between all Mongol groups, then you get others who are more nationalists and racists calling it Pan-Mongolism. Personally I coped that from those nationalists; I've already threw my hands up at all this mess anyway, I didn't need to be stabbed in the back and called "Hujaa" for marrying a half-Chinese woman and having a daughter with her. Personally I feel Pan-Mongolism should be about helping revive meritocracy, hospitality, moral/spiritual/cultural revival as well as bringing closer understanding between Mongol ethnics as well as the rest of the world who still think of us ignorantly as nothing more then "brutal barbarians". A warrior culture isn't all blood and guts, people have to learn that. funAs a people fighting to the death is our way but it's not going to get us anywhere in modern times, we've damaged ourselves enough. We are divided and dispersed - that is our disadvantage as a people, but we have the potential to use that as an advantage if we are smart and united. That's the only form of Pan-Mongol I will support. But hey, who am I kidding, I married a half-Chinese woman, so I'm already hujaa, my opinion doesn't count right? Pffft, meh, forget this I'm outta here, brings back the political side of life I'm trying to leave behind me for the sake of my family.
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Post by sarmat on Aug 19, 2009 17:31:46 GMT 3
Saran said: “We dream of one big Mongol state with some 8 million people all united and love each other dearly, taking our land back from China and Russia” aca said: “But you shouldn't let the bear in your house... The Bear will only make a mess... as usual.” Now the Bear is roaring loudly, shaking with fury and insulting the Mongolian army with a nasty joke. Should we flee with panic or bravely kick the Bear like an ass? Bear isn't roaring loudly towards Mongolia. Its complitely not in his interests. And the joke is complitely Mongolian BTW, I learned it from my Mongolian classmate. ;D
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Post by Subu'atai on Aug 19, 2009 17:49:45 GMT 3
Sarmat, I know my people, they will fight even if they know they can not win. You wish to support my people's genocide by giving them more reason to hate? I agree yes that many Mongolians are way too paranoid and xenophobic, I've coped it myself as you know. Still p*ssed off with them as well.
But when you use the term Mongol or Mongolian you are encompassing myself as well. Do you wish me to judge all Russians by the minority of Neo-Nazis? I hope not. Our people are already struggling to establish themselves financially being landlocked. There is no need to insult the country of Mongolia either despite its problems many are hoping to bring a new face to Mongolian culture worldwide through hospitality and tourism especially the nomads. The country is developing, ignore the skinheads, and we'll ignore yours.
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Post by sarmat on Aug 19, 2009 18:53:04 GMT 3
How did I insult Mongols? Please quote my words where I ever insulted Mongols. I don't understand how do I support Mongolian genocide? Are you kidding or what?
Saying that Russia isn't interested in any conflicts with Mongolia is the insult?
The joke about the army was the Mongolian one, that I learned from my former Mongolian classmate, Amursana.
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Post by Subu'atai on Aug 21, 2009 15:52:45 GMT 3
Your friend would have been trashed in U.B. if he said that.
But yeah, it's kinda funny how the Chinese garrison in northern China outnumbers even the entire population of Mongolia. The only real warring exists in street fights.
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