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Post by Saran on Jan 18, 2007 6:03:43 GMT 3
^Actually, Ambagai wasn't Temujin's great grandpa, but was a very close relative like great grandpa ;D . Temujin's great grandpa was Habul Khaan and Ambagai and Habul were cousins ;D . After Habul Khaan Ambagai Setsen became the Khaan ;D .
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Post by temur on Jan 23, 2007 1:20:28 GMT 3
To this point, Saran is wrong Ambagai was not killed by Tartars but betrayed by them. He was killed by Jing dynasty(ancestor of Manchurian) His final words to Jing emperor is that you can't defeat me in the battlefied but make trap on me. My descendents will avenge for me. Temujin's father was poisoned by Tartars. As a result of it, he killed alot of Tartars. After Temujin became the only lord of Mongolia highland, he materialized Ambagai's will and destroyed Jing dynasty of Beijing. Ambagai said 2 things before he was killed by the Tataars.
1. Revenge my death from these slaves, my sons. Remember my words till you revenge.
2. Don't ever take your daughter to the groom's. The groom must come and take the girl.
Temujin took his great grandfather's revenge later, it was a big massacre and he killed anyone male or female who's taller than yak carts.
Now the Mongols don't take their daughter to the groom's, instead the groom and his relatives come and take the girl to their place. |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 23, 2007 1:49:27 GMT 3
Two inaccurasies here:
1) The Jürchen dynasty ruling Northern China at that time was called Jīn 金, not Jing.
2) Chinggis Khan did not destroy the Jīn 金 Dynasty, it was his son Ögedei Khaghan who did it.
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Post by temur on Jan 23, 2007 6:17:31 GMT 3
We have different pronunciation on some special historical terms, and I really appreciate your correction, and hope that you can correct my inaccuracies one by one.  I,m correct I think, his son destroyed Xia empire and killed off all it,s peoples include it,s emperor. Chinggis Khan fundamentally destroed Jin empire, maybe Mongol have to fight constantly with the remanent insurgency of it in the following years. But I,m sure that he conquered it,s two capitals( Beijing, and Kaifeng). It,s emperor was killed by his general rather than by Mongol Warriors. Two inaccurasies here: 1) The Jürchen dynasty ruling Northern China at that time was called Jīn 金, not Jing. 2) Chinggis Khan did not destroy the Jīn 金 Dynasty, it was his son Ögedei Khaghan who did it. |
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Post by Saran on Jan 23, 2007 12:43:13 GMT 3
Oh, I'm aging so fast and have already started confusing all the Khans and states  
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Post by temur on Jan 23, 2007 13:52:30 GMT 3
Don,t think so Saran, you are a beautiful gal and always be! Let,s throw old history back and look forward. Bright and splendid future is waiting for us to reach it.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 23, 2007 22:28:37 GMT 3
We have different pronunciation on some special historical terms, and I really appreciate your correction, and hope that you can correct my inaccuracies one by one. That is our duty  I,m correct I think, his son destroyed Xia empire and killed off all it,s peoples include it,s emperor. He ordered the destruction of the Western Xia state just before his death. After he died, his order was carried out by his generals. His son Ögedei became the Khaghan two years later, in 1229. Chinggis Khan fundamentally destroed Jin empire, maybe Mongol have to fight constantly with the remanent insurgency of it in the following years. But I,m sure that he conquered it,s two capitals( Beijing, and Kaifeng). It,s emperor was killed by his general rather than by Mongol Warriors. Chinggis Khan captured Beijing, not Kaifeng, which was captured by Ögedei Khaghan. |
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Post by Bor Chono on Feb 13, 2007 14:08:24 GMT 3
Ambagai khaan introduced new title Taish(or Taishi). Taish is second person after Khaan. First Taish was his son Hadaan.  |
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Post by Nomad (Daz) on Aug 22, 2007 16:09:11 GMT 3
So Taishi is like a consilery in Italian Mafia?
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Post by tatarhan on Oct 2, 2007 3:13:37 GMT 3
Is it true that Ambaghai Khan was really under the influence of his mother? its right... |
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Post by hulagu on May 29, 2010 2:15:47 GMT 3
Oh, I'm aging so fast and have already started confusing all the Khans and states Where the hell are you in the world now Saran ? |
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Post by boztorgaikhan on Apr 13, 2011 23:16:47 GMT 3
Ambaghai Khan was a Mongol khan (ruler), the cousin and predecessor of Qutula Khan. During his rule, he was captured by the Tatars under the commands of the Chinese Jin Dynasty in response to the Mongols' growing power.
In 1211 Genghis Khan began the Mongol–Jin Dynasty War, causing the eventual fall of the Jin Dynasty, in sworn revenge for Ambaghai's kidnapping and execution.
Ambaghai was a relative of Yesugei and Genghis Khan.
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