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Post by Saran on Nov 22, 2006 4:49:33 GMT 3
Among all of the tribes of Genghis-era Mongolia, Naymans and Kereyits had the most Turkic names - Altun-Aşuq, Quçuluk-han, İnança-Bilgehan, Yedi-Tubluq, Sangum, Elqutur, Buyruq-han, Guçugudun-Buyruq-han, Qurça-qus-Buyruq-han, and others. |
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Nov 22, 2006 5:43:01 GMT 3
Some of them look like Mongolian names Which ones? Etymologically these are Turkic names. |
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Post by kokturk on Nov 22, 2006 15:36:06 GMT 3
You can not define a clean cut border between Turkic and Mongolian ethymology.
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Post by suren911 on Nov 23, 2006 23:59:43 GMT 3
I read somewhere the Merkits were more of a Turkic tribe. Genghis Khan's mom is from the Merkit tribe.
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Post by Saran on Nov 24, 2006 3:08:26 GMT 3
The Mergeds were not Turkic. I have found the following info at
www.hostkingdom.net/mongols.html#Merkit
The MERKITS - An Asian tribe inhabiting southeastern Siberia during the Middle Ages, regarded by their neighbours as being particularly ferocious. Their ethnicity is somewhat obscure; the balance of the evidence suggests that they were Mongolic (related to Mongols, Naimans, Keraits, and Khitan), but it has also been postulated that they are more closely related to Paleo-Asians such as the Chukchi, or Tungusic (Manchu and Evenk). Temujin Genghis Khan had Merkit ties: his mother was the wife of Chiledu, abducted from him by Genghis' father, sparking a long-running feud.
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Post by Saran on Nov 24, 2006 3:11:58 GMT 3
Some of them look like Mongolian names Which ones? Etymologically these are Turkic names.
Quçuluk - Huchulug (Powerful)
Bilgehan - Bileg (Wisdom)  |
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Post by snafu on Nov 24, 2006 17:24:09 GMT 3
Temujin's mother was from the Onggirat tribe. Her original husband was the Merkit Chiledu, but Yesugei stole her from him.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 24, 2006 20:33:34 GMT 3
No, as our dear member snafu indicated, she was from the Olkhunoghut which was a sub-tribe of Qonggirat Mongols. But she was earlierly married to a Merkit man named Yeke Chiledu (Great Chiledu).
Altun and Altan are the Turkic and Mongolic versions of "Gold". Küchlüg is clearly Turkic, meaning Powerful (Küch=Power, -lüg=-ful/with); it must have passed to Mongolian from Turkic. Bilgä is also clearly Turkic, coming from the root Bil (Know) so Bilgä means "Wise". From Bil- also came Bilig (Wisdom). If the Mongols use it, it means that it passed to Mongolian from Turkic.
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Post by Saran on Nov 26, 2006 16:09:24 GMT 3
Altun and Altan are the Turkic and Mongolic versions of "Gold". Küchlüg is clearly Turkic, meaning Powerful (Küch=Power, -lüg=-ful/with); it must have passed to Mongolian from Turkic. Bilgä is also clearly Turkic, coming from the root Bil (Know) so Bilgä means "Wise". From Bil- also came Bilig (Wisdom). If the Mongols use it, it means that it passed to Mongolian from Turkic.  |
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Post by Saran on Nov 26, 2006 16:10:35 GMT 3
Temujin's mother was from the Onggirat tribe. Her original husband was the Merkit Chiledu, but Yesugei stole her from him. |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 26, 2006 19:44:54 GMT 3
What? Was my explanation funny for you?  ;D |
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Post by Saran on Nov 27, 2006 2:26:28 GMT 3
What? Was my explanation funny for you? ;D ;D |
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Post by kokturk on Nov 27, 2006 4:06:06 GMT 3
You can not define a clean cut border between Turkic and Mongolian ethymology. Just IMHO. |
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Post by balamir on Nov 29, 2006 13:24:17 GMT 3
For Some Turkologs,these Mergits and Naimans are Turkic but ý don't know for Kereyits.
Ghengis' mother was mongol ý heard.
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Post by erdene on Jan 15, 2007 20:15:07 GMT 3
Just wondering? How do you know it was passed on from the Turkic to Mongolian??? You seem so sure.  |
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;D
