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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 25, 2006 19:51:38 GMT 3
When are these people first mentioned in writte sources? Are they connected to any other Turkic or Mongolic people, according to Chinese and Islamic sources talking about them?
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Post by tadamson on Aug 28, 2006 12:52:00 GMT 3
Naimen are in the Liao shi as one of the major tribal groups subject to the Quara Khitai, placing them in the late 10th C. I can't recall and direct mention of Kerait or Merkit prior to the late 12th C, they were both pretty obscure prior to the downfall of the Tatar, the Kerait had their moment of glory under Wang Khan but it was very short lived. Such mentions as there are are inevitably tied in with Temuljin and the Mongols.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Oct 29, 2006 21:04:47 GMT 3
According to F. Grenard in his article about Satuq Bughra Khan, the Kereyit people was baptised and converted to Nestorian Christianity at the end of the 10th century, but he cites no sources for this information.
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Post by Saran on Nov 17, 2006 9:14:17 GMT 3
When are these people first mentioned in writte sources? Are they connected to any other Turkic or Mongolic people, according to Chinese and Islamic sources talking about them? These 3 tribes were first mentioned in the Secret History of the Mongols.
Merkit or the Merged (Mongolian word meaning "The Wises") were of Mongolian origin, was a rival tribe of Temujin, later ruled by Temujin himself cos of their bloody revenge.
Kereit or the Khereids were Christians and were of Mongolian origin, was an ally of Khamag Mongol tribe (Temujin's tribe) and later ruled by Temujin.
The Naimans are of Turkic tribe and I think they're what now Kazakhs. They were Muslims and lated ruled by Temujin. Remember, that handsome Tayan Khan of Naiman?
;D This is what I know and read about these three tribes. They played some important roles in Central Asian history.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 17, 2006 11:25:24 GMT 3
The Naimans were definitially not Muslims - indeed, when they conquered the Muslim Turkic cities of Yedisu, they oppressed the Muslim so much that the Muslims of those cities later called the Mongols for help. When the Mongols arrived, they celebrated their coming as saviors. The Naimans were Nestorian Christians as we all know.
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Post by aca on Nov 17, 2006 13:50:53 GMT 3
This is true
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Post by Saran on Nov 20, 2006 4:37:27 GMT 3
Really? Oh, I must read a lot
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Post by aca on Nov 20, 2006 12:44:50 GMT 3
Yeah, but be careful what you read. Most of 40 years old books are outadated now I'm just joking. You are really good at Mongolian history
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Post by Saran on Nov 20, 2006 13:12:19 GMT 3
Most of 40 years old books are outadated now
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Post by aca on Nov 20, 2006 19:16:03 GMT 3
Most of 40 years old books are outadated now ;D
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Post by Saran on Nov 21, 2006 5:18:09 GMT 3
Got this from Wiki, looks interesting
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Post by snafu on Nov 21, 2006 14:05:33 GMT 3
That map is ok, but the Mongol tribes are in the wrong places
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Post by aca on Nov 21, 2006 14:25:24 GMT 3
Also Sakha (Yakut) are moved too much to the west
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 21, 2006 14:34:48 GMT 3
Plus, the Uyghurs were vassals of Qara Khitai who had many more vassal states among them.
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Nov 22, 2006 1:18:36 GMT 3
Among all of the tribes of Genghis-era Mongolia, Naymans and Kereyits had the most Turkic names - Altun-Aşuq, Quçuluk-han, İnança-Bilgehan, Yedi-Tubluq, Sangum, Elqutur, Buyruq-han, Guçugudun-Buyruq-han, Qurça-qus-Buyruq-han, and others.
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