pantigin
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Without Uighurs, there was no Mahmud and without him, there is no complete stories of Turks !
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Post by pantigin on Sept 15, 2008 15:15:16 GMT 3
They were a loose federation, briefly became allied to the Karakhanids, then became one of the subject states that made up the Qara Khitai, then became subject to the Mongols after the fall of the QK. Exactly. Large numbers moved to Northern Manchuria to the ulus of Khachiun and Temüge Odchigin. Ah I didn't know that  Some Qarluqs later migrated to Asia Minor because there are some villages in Turkey with the name Qarluq. Also, the name of one of the Uzbek tribes in Northern Afghanistan is called with the same name. Actually we have a city name now spellled as Kargilik but people pronounce it as Karluk all the time. |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Sept 15, 2008 15:31:41 GMT 3
Interesting.
Well I guess you're right about the fictious Qarluq Empire. I also could not trace a big empire established by the Qarluqs. They rather had a loose state of their own in Yedisu for some time. But it was not as big as the previous Uyghur or Celestial Tuk empires.
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Post by ALTAR on Sept 15, 2008 19:16:44 GMT 3
Qarluks had an important point in Turkish History. In the Battle of Talas(751) Between Abbasid Caliphate and Chinese, Qarluks supported Arabs then Arabs defeated Chinese and Islam had been starting accepted by Turk Nomads widely.
Qarluks had sizeable population with Khalaj Turks in Afghanistan too. They had asisted Ghazni Empire and other local dynasties, states too...
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pantigin
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Post by pantigin on Sept 15, 2008 22:08:27 GMT 3
Qarluks had an important point in Turkish History. In the Battle of Talas(751) Between Abbasid Caliphate and Chinese, Qarluks supported Arabs then Arabs defeated Chinese and Islam had been starting accepted by Turk Nomads widely. Qarluks had sizeable population with Khalaj Turks in Afghanistan too. They had asisted Ghazni Empire and other local dynasties, states too... even though there was no empire called with the name as karluk empire. |
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Post by ALTAR on Sept 16, 2008 12:17:08 GMT 3
Qarluks had an important point in Turkish History. In the Battle of Talas(751) Between Abbasid Caliphate and Chinese, Qarluks supported Arabs then Arabs defeated Chinese and Islam had been starting accepted by Turk Nomads widely. Qarluks had sizeable population with Khalaj Turks in Afghanistan too. They had asisted Ghazni Empire and other local dynasties, states too... even though there was no empire called with the name as karluk empire. Absolutely agree with you, my dear Uighur brother  Bu they are all precious for us like our other Turk ancestors |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Sept 16, 2008 22:03:45 GMT 3
You can check my older posts in this thread, where I explained that it wasn't an empire, but a loose federation like that of the Pecheneks *Note: I modified the topic's title ;D |
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Post by naiman on Mar 23, 2009 10:31:08 GMT 3
They were a loose federation, briefly became allied to the Karakhanids, then became one of the subject states that made up the Qara Khitai, then became subject to the Mongols after the fall of the QK. Exactly. Large numbers moved to Northern Manchuria to the ulus of Khachiun and Temüge Odchigin. Ah I didn't know that Some Qarluqs later migrated to Asia Minor because there are some villages in Turkey with the name Qarluq. Also, the name of one of the Uzbek tribes in Northern Afghanistan is called with the same name. hello and good day i think you are wrong Qaralug is one of the Hazara tribe not Uzbek as the same as Naiman tribe in Hazara nation the language is mixed dari , turkish and mongulian language grammer and words thanks all for thier information |
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Post by najib1qarluq on Oct 25, 2009 4:58:52 GMT 3
first of all i wd like to thank all you guys for the information
i am from central afghanistan our velage called qarluq and the name of our tribe is also qarluq we are about 50000 families all suny muslim followers we all look like Hazara, we speak Hazara langauge and very poor got no land at all,
(hazaras all live in central afghanistan they all look like chines or uzbak or qazaq they are shya muslims)
and we got (turkman uzbaks and tajiks suny muslim)in north afghanistan.
so right now i am confused.
the question is
are we hazara? are we uzbak? are we turkman? or non of them so who we are then what should we call our self ?
where we came from ?
because we having a big problem over this in afghanistan for centuries, non of the other tribe accept us.
i am sorry i know its a very long question and a bit missed up. so is any one out there who can give me write me some information about this plz?
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Oct 25, 2009 12:37:01 GMT 3
Greetings dear Najib, welcome aboard  Several years ago, I had read about the existence of your Uzbek village Qarluq in Afghanistan, now I'm very surprised to see someone from there As the name of your village tells, you are really Qarluqs in origin, who were a major Turkic people who lived in Turkestan but later merged into other ethno-political units and disappeared as a separate people. From what I understood from your situtation, you were a branch of Qarluqs who migrated to Afghanistan (probably during the time of Samanids, Ghaznavids or Ghurids), later got merged into the Uzbeks and later adopted the Hazara language. Apart from the language, you got nothing to do with the Hazaras. You are also not Turkmens because the Oghuz-Turkmens were a different people from the Qarluqs (before the Mongol invasions, the Oghuz, Qarluqs and Uyghurs were the most dominant peoples of Turkestan). Your "Uzbek" identity is similar to non-Oghuz tribes in Anatolia (such as the Qypchaqs, Chighils, Qarluqs, Pecheneks, Mongols, etc) that later got merged into the Oghuz-Turkmen populations after the 13th century, and now speak Oghuz. |
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Post by najib1qarluq on Oct 26, 2009 8:04:27 GMT 3
thank you very much for your information
i still got some more questions plz
1 is turkman and turkic different? whats the differences?
2 today turkstan is a big area, like turkmanstan, kazakstan, kirgizstan and i think some more, which all called turkstan, where the qarluqs are exacly from? and are qarluq people living today any where apart from afghanistan? if so where?
3 are qarluqs called just qarluq, or they are sparedted from another tribe like turks qazaqs or turkmans?
if its an independed tribe, why they are still a very small tribe after 10 or 15 centuries?
and where the bigest part of this tribe live today?
i will appreciate it if some one cd answer this boring questions plz.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Oct 26, 2009 16:49:58 GMT 3
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Post by Modu on Oct 26, 2009 18:32:24 GMT 3
Qarluk's are Today " Uzbek and Uyghur "
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Oct 26, 2009 23:18:10 GMT 3
That is the lingual categorisation made by linguists. In reality, neither the Uzbeks nor the Uyghurs (especially the Uyghurs) have almost nothing to do with the historical Qarluqs. The Qarluq heartland was the Jetisu (Semirech'e) region in the northeastern part of Turkestan, which is now mostly southern Kazakhstan.
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Post by majeedqarluq on May 29, 2010 8:59:31 GMT 3
I am Abdul Majeed Qarluq from Afghanistan living in Kunduz Province we are more than 4000 family we are speaking Hazaragy and also Uzbik Qarluq are in Kunduz about 5000 families in kunduz the same face the same culture the only differce is lungage they are speaking Uzbiky and Qarluq are liveing in Badakhshan in Darhim District they are speaking Tajiky i hope any one have informtion about this issue give me information
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Post by umar farooq on Jul 7, 2014 23:05:46 GMT 3
There are karluks in hazara region of nothern pakistan who had come with the invading armies of temur lane in 1397-1398. They now speak local languages such as urdu and hindko. They are children of the hazara ming (1000 soldiers)left in haripur-hazara region by Temur.
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