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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Sept 7, 2006 20:23:48 GMT 3
We can talk about this regnal family ruling the Khanate of Crimea.
What I would like to know is what were their origins? Were they ordinary Qïpchaqs? Were they related with the Chinggisid family by marriage? Did they have any connections with the Kereyit people (Giray sounds like Kerey, singular form of Kereyit)?
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Post by tengrikut on Sept 7, 2006 21:33:05 GMT 3
giray means sth like han but used for pirenceses. i may be wrong but. i dont think that it is connected to Kereyit???
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Sept 7, 2006 23:44:54 GMT 3
As far as I know, Giray has Arabian or Persian ethymology, and has nothing to do with the Turkic tribe Kerey/Kereyit.
Giray was a traditional Chingisid name. The first Qazaq khan was called Giray.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Sept 7, 2006 23:49:11 GMT 3
I suppose I will have to check Dörfer's (Doerfer) ethymological dictionary which I will try to find in the Bilkent University Library
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Post by anda on Sept 13, 2006 5:10:27 GMT 3
Somewhere there must be record of family tree. According to some scholars, the Girays were regarded as the second family of the Ottoman Empire after the House of Ottoman: "If Rome and Byzantium represented two of the three international traditions of imperial legitimacy, the blood of Genghis Khan was the third... If ever the Ottomans became extinct, it was understood that the Genghizid Girays would succeed them" (Sebag Montefiore. Prince of Princes: The Life of Potemkin. London, 2000). from en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giray_dynasty There is list of Giray Khans. But "whose son is who" is not clear. Founder Haci I Giray (Crimean Tatar: I Hacý Geray) (died 1466) was the founder and the first ruler of the Crimean Khanate. He is sometimes referred to as Haci Devlet Giray or Devlet Haci Giray. He is said to have been a descendant of Genghis Khan (the 11th generation. Is he from Batu Khan or Tsagadai? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Crimean_khans
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Sept 13, 2006 13:38:00 GMT 3
The Girays claimed Chinggisid origin but that might have been a political move. By the way, I could not find Dörfer's dictionary
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Post by Atabeg on Sept 13, 2006 13:54:07 GMT 3
I allways wonderd why he was called haci giray whas it his name or title like if you go to mecca you become haci?
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Post by thediplomat on Nov 6, 2006 18:30:10 GMT 3
Since the times of Genghis Khan and his grandsons, Crimea had been a Turkic land.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 6, 2006 22:45:49 GMT 3
Oh yeah, the Girays were Chinggisids, I found some information about the family's origins but I am now too lasy to find them
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Post by Boorchi Noyan on Nov 6, 2006 22:52:40 GMT 3
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Post by kokturk on Nov 9, 2006 2:00:53 GMT 3
As far as I know, Giray has Arabian or Persian ethymology, According to the dictionary of Turkish Linguistic Society (Türk Dil Kurumu Sözlüðü), the word "Giray" is from Mongolian.
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Post by Saran on Nov 22, 2006 13:42:50 GMT 3
As far as I know, Giray has Arabian or Persian ethymology, According to the dictionary of Turkish Linguistic Society (Türk Dil Kurumu Sözlüðü), the word "Giray" is from Mongolian. Giray doesn't really sound like Mongolian
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Post by kokturk on Nov 22, 2006 15:46:47 GMT 3
Well, according to that dictionary, there are 13 words in Tukish with Mongolian origin. www.tdk.gov.tr/TR/SozBulAyrintili.aspx?F6E10F8892433CFFAAF6AA849816B2EF31C7A21930E7131CThose words are: cebe, ceren, ceylan, cýda, cilasun, çýdam, giray, kaburga, keþik, koþun, kurultay, maral
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Post by temur on Jan 14, 2007 14:26:41 GMT 3
Some Chinese experts helped with Golden family members made some survey on the origin of Crimean Tatar. Their survey shows that Batu built Great Golden Horde which extend from Crimean thingyular to Poland. After Mongol rulers were toppled down by Russia peoples, The Golden Horder was separated into three parts they are Crimean Kanhate, Kazan kahante, the third one I have forgot.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 14, 2007 22:06:23 GMT 3
The Khanate of Astrakhan (also known as Astarkhan)
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