Tatar-Cossack Relations and Tugay Bey

[Jagatai Khan]

While looking for some information about Cossacks, I have met with an interesting alliance between Zaphorozian Cossacks and Crimean Tatars.In Khmelnytsky Uprising Cossacks and Tatars had formed an alliance.

The Tatar leader was Tugay Bey.Tugay Bey dies in Battle of Berestechko.

And a Polish film named Ogniem-i Meczem(With Fire and Sword) performs these events and battle.Later, I found a video of thew film.Look here:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pr_mpUTLJ4

I have questions
--Is there any alliance of Tatars with the Cossacks except this?Or any Tatar-foreigner alliance?I just have known the alliance with Polish against Muscovy.


--What do you think about the film?Is it accurate?
I have noticed some, Cossacks must be the bald guys with little hair and moustache ;D They were beaten by Polish winged hussars and later Tatar attack were repulsed by the Polish.Tugay Bey is the man who was killed by a commander there.

And a table of Khmelnitsky and Tugay Bey.Tugay Bey is in white clothes.
What about table's accuracy?

[BAWIR$AQ]

jagatai said:

a Polish film named Ogniem-i Meczem(With Fire and Sword) performs these events and battle.Later, I found a video of thew film.Look here:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pr_mpUTLJ4

--What do you think about the film?Is it accurate?
I have noticed some, Cossacks must be the bald guys with little hair and moustache ;D They were beaten by Polish winged hussars and later Tatar attack were repulsed by the Polish.Tugay Bey is the man who was killed by a commander there.

I uploaded that video about Toğay bey online.

Right, Cossacks are bald with a forelock hair on top. And Tatars wear nomadic fur hats and turbans.

Actually in the movie, there're two battle scenes separated by some time, but in this video, they are side by side. In first battle, Cossacks won, and in second, Poles won.

Toğay bey wasn't killed in the movie. He was wounded (the envoy tells that to the Crimean khan in the next scene - "yaralanmish"). That's the last time we see him or hear about him in the movie. I am glad he wasn't killed

BTW, Toğay bey originates from the same tribe as I am - Arğın

[Temüjin]

the movie fire and sword is overall Polish nationalist propaganda, even though the Cossacks are generally well portrayed except for Berestechko. Cossacks & tatars weren't exactly allied often, though the earliest reference to Cossacks from the mid-15th century talks about Ryazan Cossacks, those were Tatars that fought as mercenaries for Ryazan. Cossacks in late medieval times were Tatars mostly. Zaporozhian Cossacks however raided Crimean Khanate more often than they cooperated (and vice versa). too bad Zaporozhians even with the aid of the Crimean Tatars weren't able to crush the Poles.

[Jagatai Khan]

Thanks for comments mates.

Bawır$aq, but Tugay Bey was killed in Berestechko, right?

And wikipedia article tells another interesting thing: "The battle was won by the Poles after the Crimean Tatars, dispirited by the death of their leader Toğay bey, deserted the battlefield, and kidnapped Khmelnytzky. "

[tatarhan]

Das gefält mir sehr, alle TÜRKEN oder TURKVOLKER sind da.

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

Please read our Rules regarding the ban of non-English languages without translations in our forum.

[sarmat]

jagatai said:

Thanks for comments mates.

Bawır$aq, but Tugay Bey was killed in Berestechko, right?

And wikipedia article tells another interesting thing: "The battle was won by the Poles after the Crimean Tatars, dispirited by the death of their leader Toğay bey, deserted the battlefield, and kidnapped Khmelnytzky. "

Tugay Bey was indeed killed at the battle of Berestechko, however in the Polish movie this battle wasn't shown, it happened later. That battle which was shown in the Polish movie was the siege of Zbarazh

[sarmat]

temujin said:

too bad Zaporozhians even with the aid of the Crimean Tatars weren't able to crush the Poles.

I don't think Crimean Tatars and Zaporozhian Cossacks were true allies. Both parties just wanted to take advantage of each other. For Tatars both Poles and Cossacks were enemies and they didn't want any one of them to decisevely prevail. That's why Crimean Tatar forces left Cossacks several times alone in the eve of battle.

[sharshuvuu]

At the same time, the Cossacks regarded Tatar (and not Muscovite) culture as the high culture. Their habit of shaving off their hair except for a single lock gave rise to the derogatory (but nowadays mostly jocular) Russian nickname for Ukrainians: _khokhol_, meanint the 'crest' on a bird such as the lapwing or hoopoe.

The counterpart Ukie nickname for a Russian, _katsap_, means 'billygoat', & refers to the beards worn (before the days of Peter I!) by Russian officials; the Cossacks shaved their chins and grew extravagant mustaches.

Sharshavuu

[sarmat]

"Khohol" means exactly "the lock" it's synonim of another Russian word "Chub."
The bird thing is called "khoholok" or literally a"small lock."

As regarding Zaporozhians preference for culture they clearly regarded Polish culture as more superior than Muscovite and especially Tatars.

While lock is clearly a Tatar custom, the custom of shaving face and having mustach was rather very popular in Europe at that time.

Many Tatars as Muslims had beards as well.