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Post by sarmat on Feb 1, 2010 5:32:23 GMT 3
Sarmat you are wrong about Nichopol,It's Bulgarian city,not Rumanian. Yeah, of course it's a Bulgarian city. Tepes did it during his invasion of Northern Bulgaria.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Feb 1, 2010 17:35:39 GMT 3
Do you think? It was the Ottomans who did it, not me nor the modern Turkish common folk ;D I'm not responsible from what the Ottoman dynasty did. Ordinary Turks are not responsible from Ottoman crimes as well. But people like you have big problems with understanding that, and you prefer the easy way by blaiming everything on everyone. No, his family was of Mongol-Chinggisid origin, not Bulgarian. Indeed, Wallachia, Moldavia and Transylvania were always autonomous regions. Bulgarian and Serbian states were like them too, but in the 15th century their vassalages were dissolved, their ruling families were removed from power and their territories were turned to imperial provinces. Europeans also had many horrible torture techniques. In Europe, you can find many "torture museums". Not just the Ottomans, but everyone did. I wish the same too, but people like you keep the hatred and grudges alive, unfortunately. Not just Turks and Bulgarians, but Saxonian German traders as well. Actually the latter are the real reason why Vlad III is so famous in Europe, because tales of his horrible tortures reached Europe via Russia and Germany. But in the end he was defeated and forced to flee. This is so wrong. Turkish armies especially in 13th-14th centuries were not that big unlike described in Balkanian and European sources. Plus, ex-captives (they were not "slaves", their position was higher, but of course I don't expect you to know this much of detail) formed only a small amount of the total armymen. Most of the soldiers were still Turkmens. You know what, I think you should stop making posts about history, because you don't know anything about the topics you are talking about.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Feb 2, 2010 12:22:50 GMT 3
As you wish
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Post by Asparuh on Feb 4, 2010 0:48:17 GMT 3
Ok.I have thinked about these days about what happened here in the Forum.
I have showed us some real truth about what the Ottoman Empire did in the past and you didn't like it.I will stop doing that,because is pain for both sides i understand. The thing is there is no other nation or empire who left a deeper wound than the turkish people in the Bulgarian history. And it's practically impossible to do nothing about it. There are many factors which lead to that point. But i don't want to go back to them. Let's get the things clear. This Forum is about Steppe History,right ? And i came here ,because i liked it. And somehow i felt part of it. Because maybe the Asiatic element is strong in me, We even had names like Kubrat and Asparuh in our familly tree. Anyway. I promise to be very careful from now on. And remember one thing. No matter what will happen in the future if Bulgaria dissapears as a country or not. The Bulgarian people will never die,.because we are one of the oldest people in the world. And we have comunities all over the world and it's imposible to delete us from the world's face history whatsoever. We are small ,but we have givven a lot to the world. If we wasn't there Europe would have been Muslim already. The name Bulgaria was,is and will stay forever. No matter what political or economical interests are messed up there. And Turkey must be very grateful to us,because we support your EU acceptance. You have a long path to go until you get there,but please respect us and all of your neibhours. I know more things that you can imagine. Do you know that France is against Turkey's joins the EU ? And what about your Problems with the Kurds in Kurdistan ? Guys you aren't perfect too,nobody is. I don't care ,but if tommorow Turkey wants to take Bulgaria by force i am gonna be amongst the first to go voluntier in the army. And it's not just us,we have all Europe and Otan - Nato behind us. So please be very careful what you are doing. We are not the same patetic Bulgaria which you can conquer in short time. We are a modern European developing country. And no matter what or you say The memory of the Ottoman Conquest in the Balkans will never be forgotten nor by Bulgarian people ,nor by any of the other balkan habitants. And yeah,you did stopped our development it's true. But we will recover,be sure about it. Turkye is what it is ,because you have more sea coast,more resources,etc. But if you really gain to enter Europe you need to change a lot. Stop being a bad in a first place and be a normal human beings ,respecting the others around you.And the world is not yours it's for everybody. There will be no other Ottoman Empire.all that stays in the past. You cannot impose yourself and your culture and religion onto somebody else. That's not possible anymore. This world is ment to be free. The thing with the Mongols are moreless the same. They had the same dream ,They wanted to conquer the World ,but they went too far and killed far too many people. So this fanatic idea is not working any more. This is what i wanted to say,Sorry if it's but rough. I write it the way i felt it.
.Asparuh.
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Post by hjernespiser on Feb 4, 2010 2:42:01 GMT 3
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Feb 4, 2010 12:28:30 GMT 3
Dude c'mon, no one wants to invade your country and no one actually cares about there, get over with it. And stop blaiming all Turks for everything, for God's sake. Sometimes you sound like a parrot hjernespiser: LOL ;D ;D
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Post by Subu'atai on Feb 4, 2010 13:40:45 GMT 3
But but... I wanted to invade Bulgaria! How about our secret plans Khagan?! Our army of ninja robots raining fire and death! All shall feel our power hahahaha!!! xD Oh what? This discussion is serious? Oh no!!! That's no good! *Passes a beer to both Asparuh and Khagan* Chill fellas! Chill =)
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Post by sarmat on Feb 4, 2010 17:48:36 GMT 3
In fact, Eastern Europe is full of these paranoidal theories. specially between, Serbia and its neighbors, Albania and its neighbors, Hungary and Romania (taken very seriously) etc.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Feb 5, 2010 0:37:58 GMT 3
HAHAHA, lemme tell you somethin' man, it's not worth it ;D ;D Oh, now everyone knows it! We should run & hide! ;D Oh well, from my side, I actually don't care about Turkey, the Ottoman Empire or small Balkan nations, I just care about myself And I'm always ok for a beer ;D This thing between Hungary and Romania is hilarious ;D ;D
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Post by ALTAR on Feb 5, 2010 1:49:39 GMT 3
But but... I wanted to invade Bulgaria! Please wait your queue, Dear Subutai. Bulgarians dont do anything without the Invasion of Turks ;D
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Feb 5, 2010 2:05:39 GMT 3
Hahaha LOL rofl ;D ;D
That's epic ;D
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Post by Asparuh on Feb 5, 2010 2:13:07 GMT 3
Ok,I see you all turned to laugh here. ;D Ok.Let's stop with this thing really. Let's make a friendly forum,that's the whole purpose isn't it. I get off the track for a while ,but i am gonna be a good Boy Again. Seems like it's not modern anymore to be a Patriot. I will have to addapt to the new times. ...And i have a fridge full of Bier .LOL. Bye !
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Feb 5, 2010 11:56:21 GMT 3
Yes, that's the purpose Cool ;D
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Post by Asparuh on Feb 6, 2010 0:49:37 GMT 3
Seems like things are getting back as the beginning. Thank you. I am in good mood again We are all here on this planet just temporally,so who care that much about things...
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Post by Kilij Arslan on Feb 6, 2010 2:42:08 GMT 3
In fact, Eastern Europe is full of these paranoidal theories. specially between, Serbia and its neighbors, Albania and its neighbors, Hungary and Romania (taken very seriously) etc. Hey, Poland might be invaded by Germans. Any day now! And I guess everyone knows, that hosts of Russians are just waiting to tresspass our borders from the other side. Seriously. Not to mention the cunning Jewish propaganda dissolving the pure fabric of our society from the inside. I guess theories is our humane thing.
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