Proto-Xiongnu

H. İhsan Erkoç
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Proto-Xiongnu Nov 18, 2004 22:39:21 GMT 3

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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 18, 2004 22:39:21 GMT 3

(Originially posted by BK at October 4, 2004)
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Hello, I need help to find information or a book about the proto-hsiung nu people also called Gai fung if I remember right !!

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(Originially posted by me at October 4, 2004)
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I'm not very knowledged on this period but let me post the few stuff I know.

I think it's hard to define the Guifang (Kui-fang) as Proto-Xiongnu, they were a different people. The ancestors of Xiongnu (Hsiung-nu) were the Xianyun (Hsien-yün) and Xunyu (Hsün-yü) whose ancestors were the Hongyi (Hung-yi). The Hongyi, Guifang and some other peoples shared a common ancestor: the Quanyi (Ch'üan-yi).

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(Originially posted by BK at October 18, 2004)
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I think it's hard to define the Guifang (Kui-fang) as Proto-Xiongnu, they were a different people. The ancestors of Xiongnu (Hsiung-nu) were the Xianyun (Hsien-yün) and Xunyu (Hsün-yü) whose ancestors were the Hongyi (Hung-yi). The Hongyi, Guifang and some other peoples shared a common ancestor: the Quanyi (Ch'üan-yi).

Hmm, ok , but do you have more info about them, a book that you can read or article ,

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(Originially posted by me at October 18, 2004)
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Dr. Erkin Ekrem's masters thesis was about the Pre-Xiongnu Turkic pepoles, I learned these from there. Unfortunately, it's in Turkish only.

Last Edit: Apr 15, 2006 20:48:59 GMT 3 by H. İhsan Erkoç

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Boorchi Noyan Irkin I will not forget the ones, who are with me now... Posts: 431	Proto-Xiongnu Apr 15, 2006 20:28:43 GMT 3 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Boorchi Noyan on Apr 15, 2006 20:28:43 GMT 3 hmm, can we find it dear Tigin, you know I am really interested in Xiongnus and Proto Turks...
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H. İhsan Erkoç Qaghan Qaghan of the Steppe History Forum Posts: 7,191	Proto-Xiongnu Apr 15, 2006 20:48:40 GMT 3 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Apr 15, 2006 20:48:40 GMT 3 I can find it for you
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sharawsambuu Är Posts: 1	Proto-Xiongnu Sept 1, 2008 6:38:04 GMT 3 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by sharawsambuu on Sept 1, 2008 6:38:04 GMT 3 is it name of Xionnu right

Altantugs Är The Hope die at the End Posts: 12	Proto-Xiongnu Sept 4, 2008 9:09:12 GMT 3 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Altantugs on Sept 4, 2008 9:09:12 GMT 3 Proto-Hunn tribes are Hun-yui, Xian-yui, Gui-fan, Wei-fan, Jun, North Di, White Di, West Di etc.
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Altantugs Är The Hope die at the End Posts: 12	Proto-Xiongnu Sept 4, 2008 9:09:37 GMT 3 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Altantugs on Sept 4, 2008 9:09:37 GMT 3 Well, The Dun-Hu.
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Altantugs Är The Hope die at the End Posts: 12	Proto-Xiongnu Sept 4, 2008 9:13:57 GMT 3 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Altantugs on Sept 4, 2008 9:13:57 GMT 3 If anyone want to more, need to read Sukhbaatar G., "Mongolian Ancient Ancestor". This book is found old chinese books.
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H. İhsan Erkoç Qaghan Qaghan of the Steppe History Forum Posts: 7,191	Proto-Xiongnu Sept 4, 2008 11:15:14 GMT 3 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Sept 4, 2008 11:15:14 GMT 3 Well, not all were the ancestors of the Huns, only some were.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 18, 2004 22:39:21 GMT 3

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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Sept 4, 2008 11:15:14 GMT 3