On the names of the Saka

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

I would like to have a complete and correctly spelled list of the names given to the Saka by the Assyrians, Greeks, Persians, Chinese and if avaible, other people too.

I know that it was Ashkuzai/Ishkuzai in Assyrian, Sakoi (plural form) in Greek (Scythian was Skythoi in Greek, Scythii in Latin; in plural forms) and Sai in Chinese. But I do not know the exact spellings of Saka tribe names in Persian so I will ask someone to write them here (including the long vowels). I also do not know with which character it was written in Chinese.

[tadamson]

You are asking for English transliterations of Greek, Latin, Persian etc words, many of which are transliterations of other languages. In several cases there isn't a 'correct' spelling.

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

tadamson said:

You are asking for English transliterations of Greek, Latin, Persian etc words, many of which are transliterations of other languages. In several cases there isn't a 'correct' spelling.

Exactly.

[tadamson]

You are either dedicated or mad.....
I'll try to put together what I can.

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

I call it dedicated

Check my "On the names of the Tujue" thread and you would see what I mean.

[sharrukin]

Hebrew - Ashkenaz
Greek - Sakai
Greek - Skuthai
Latin - Sacae
Latin - Scythae
Han Chinese - Ssek
Sanskrit - Saka, Shaka
Old Persian - Saka
- Saka haomavarga = Greek Sakai Amurgioi
- Saka tigrakhauda = Greek Orthokorubantes
- Saka paradraya = Greek Skuthai
Scythian* - Skolot- from Greek Skolotoi (Herod. 4.6.2)

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

Thank you very much dear Master Sharrukin

[sharrukin]

Late Egyptian - sk (transliterated as Sek) probably from Old Persian, Saka.

[tengrikut]

Ashkenaz? there is an Ashkenaz Khan of Khazars who drow jews out of his lands

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

Ashkenaz is also the name used for Spanish/Iberian Jews.

[kokturk]

admin said:

Ashkenaz is also the name used for Spanish/Iberian Jews.

Wrong data.

Ashkenazi are the Eastern Jews, from Poland and the neighbouring countries.

Iberian Jews are called "Sefarad".

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

Excuse me, I confused them

Yes, you are right. Indeed, the name "Sefarad" comes from "Spain".

[sharrukin]

Yes, Ashkenazi Jews were eastern European Jews. The original "Ashkenaz" had lost its meaning, due to the assimilation of the original Scythians by other peoples. It then became reused during the Middle Ages for those Jews who inhabited western Germany, but which subsequently migrated east into other parts of eastern Europe. Those original Jews of Germany were called Ashkenazim because the Jews at that time associated the defunct term with "Germany".

[Temüjin]

sharrukin said:

Those original Jews of Germany were called Ashkenazim because the Jews at that time associated the defunct term with "Germany".

you mean like Yiddish? I know the jews of Poland were originally from Germany because of their language but how did they end up in Germany in the first place? i mean coming from the Khazars/Ukraine?

[sharrukin]

We don't know how the Ashkenazim took root in Germany. It is only sufficient to say that they were an already established group in western by the time of Charlemagne, who used them for their trading contacts, and genetically these "western Ashkenazim" show very little in the way of genetic relationship with Turkic Jews. What is known is that Slavonic Jews were probably of Khazar ancestry. The Ashkenazim expanded eastward into the regions of the Slavonic Jew and to some degree intermarried with them, hence, these two European communities became known under the expanded term "Ashkenazim".

See here:

www.faqs.org/faqs/judaism/FAQ/07-Jews-As-Nation/section-5.html