The Tarim Mummies, yes they have been classified as Tocharians and speak an Indo-European langauge but these results can't be definitely and may be politically bias because the tests were all in Western European countries and in China.
Though nothing is hunderd percent in any science. I don't agree that it could be definitely politically biased as the tests as you said were performed in Western European and China and that's not one country or culture. So far what is at hand shows that they are more likely to be related to Indo-Europeans than any other groups.
I recall I was watching some documentary about some mummies found in Mongolia many years ago and it was to say that the Westerners tried to show the mummies as if they were europeans yet the skulls did have features that to our current knowledge weren't showing affinities with the Mongoloid ones.
Post by missanthropology58 on Nov 29, 2011 17:55:48 GMT 3
Proto-Turks were always the inhabitants of Turkestan region from upper Caspian to Mongolia and Altai mountains to Kashmir. They all lived there for 40000 years and changed only by mutations and mixture of these mutated haplogroups.
I think labeling the first Turks (not as a name but as a group of people) as xxoid or xxian is a fallacy.
It's like saying something like "Adam was a Mongoloid".
The name Turk can not define the people who are closely related to what we think Turks were.
Ofcourse it's false they were pronounced Turkish when they became Muslim that was the name the Ottoman Elite would call the converting Greeks/Slavs/Celts
I don't like the word ''Eurasian'' either, that's geographical to describe a European of Asian descent ( as in a European Caucasian born in a non European country that is known to have Whites like Turkey Georgia etc ) or vice versa ( a Asian person born in Europe )
I think the real word for a Asian/Euro hybrid is Turanid or Turanian.
I choose to call the original Turks as : TR people or TUR people.
The problem with this is that Indo Europeans before migrating inside Europe were called Tur people in the past as well. Any person (be it Turk or non-Turk) belonging to the Turan geography were called Tur.
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The earliest Turkic peoples were racially Mongoloid obviously. Racial mixing with the White Caucasoids happened when the Turkic peoples started moving westwards, but there were also some Caucasoid migrations eastwards too. Even today, most of the Turkic peoples are still Mongoloid, and even if you go to the villages in Turkey, you can still see that most of the Anatolian Turks preserve their Turkic look.
As for the Tarim Basin mummies. They are Tokharians, right? I don't think they have anything to do with the Turks.
I don't think there was a distinguished Mongoloid or Caucasoid race when the first Turkic culture was created.
Why do people call Mongolions and Mongoliad alot? Arent they Turkic/Hunnic. When I think of Mongols I only think about the Genghis Khan time era and a bit before. It makes more sense to me to call them Hunnic rather calling others Mongoliad. I am curious.
Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 2, 2015 12:14:11 GMT 3
Mongoloid is an anthropological term used for the various peoples living in Central, Eastern and Southeastern Asia. It doesn't have anything to do with the Mongols ethnically. Just like the term Caucasoid which is used for the "White" peoples of Eurasia, but we know that the vast majority of "Caucasoids" are not from Caucasia.
Nomad, rider of the ancient east Nomad, rider that men know the least Nomad, where you come from no one knows Nomad, where you go to no one tells