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Post by Azadan Januspar on Oct 31, 2008 3:25:08 GMT 3
The Tarim Mummies, yes they have been classified as Tocharians and speak an Indo-European langauge but these results can't be definitely and may be politically bias because the tests were all in Western European countries and in China. Though nothing is hunderd percent in any science. I don't agree that it could be definitely politically biased as the tests as you said were performed in Western European and China and that's not one country or culture. So far what is at hand shows that they are more likely to be related to Indo-Europeans than any other groups. I recall I was watching some documentary about some mummies found in Mongolia many years ago and it was to say that the Westerners tried to show the mummies as if they were europeans yet the skulls did have features that to our current knowledge weren't showing affinities with the Mongoloid ones.
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Post by turanicturk on Nov 29, 2011 3:49:29 GMT 3
I dont think Turks are Mongoloid.
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Post by missanthropology58 on Nov 29, 2011 17:55:48 GMT 3
Proto-Turks were always the inhabitants of Turkestan region from upper Caspian to Mongolia and Altai mountains to Kashmir. They all lived there for 40000 years and changed only by mutations and mixture of these mutated haplogroups.
I'd agree with that.
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Post by missanthropology58 on Nov 29, 2011 17:56:28 GMT 3
I dont think Turks are Mongoloid. Depends on how you define 'Turk' modern day Turkey is like Mexico.
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Post by ancalimon on Dec 4, 2011 5:48:39 GMT 3
I dont think Turks are Mongoloid. Maybe Mongols are Turkoid. ;D I think labeling the first Turks (not as a name but as a group of people) as xxoid or xxian is a fallacy. It's like saying something like "Adam was a Mongoloid". The name Turk can not define the people who are closely related to what we think Turks were.
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Post by missanthropology58 on Dec 4, 2011 20:55:20 GMT 3
I dont think Turks are Mongoloid. Maybe Mongols are Turkoid. ;D I think labeling the first Turks (not as a name but as a group of people) as xxoid or xxian is a fallacy. It's like saying something like "Adam was a Mongoloid". The name Turk can not define the people who are closely related to what we think Turks were. Ofcourse it's false they were pronounced Turkish when they became Muslim that was the name the Ottoman Elite would call the converting Greeks/Slavs/Celts I don't like the word ''Eurasian'' either, that's geographical to describe a European of Asian descent ( as in a European Caucasian born in a non European country that is known to have Whites like Turkey Georgia etc ) or vice versa ( a Asian person born in Europe ) I think the real word for a Asian/Euro hybrid is Turanid or Turanian. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turanid_race
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Post by missanthropology58 on Dec 4, 2011 20:56:06 GMT 3
The original people before the YaniCeris were the Seljuks the people during/ after the Ottoman Empire were are the Turks
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Post by ancalimon on Dec 4, 2011 21:07:23 GMT 3
I choose to call the original Turks as : TR people or TUR people.
The problem with this is that Indo Europeans before migrating inside Europe were called Tur people in the past as well. Any person (be it Turk or non-Turk) belonging to the Turan geography were called Tur.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Dec 6, 2011 15:18:39 GMT 3
The original people before the YaniCeris were the Seljuks the people during/ after the Ottoman Empire were are the Turks Both the Seljuks and Ottomans were just dynasties and not ethnic groups, and they stemmed from various Oghuz-Turkmen tribes.
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Post by ancalimon on Apr 10, 2014 6:41:34 GMT 3
The earliest Turkic peoples were racially Mongoloid obviously. Racial mixing with the White Caucasoids happened when the Turkic peoples started moving westwards, but there were also some Caucasoid migrations eastwards too. Even today, most of the Turkic peoples are still Mongoloid, and even if you go to the villages in Turkey, you can still see that most of the Anatolian Turks preserve their Turkic look. As for the Tarim Basin mummies. They are Tokharians, right? I don't think they have anything to do with the Turks. I don't think there was a distinguished Mongoloid or Caucasoid race when the first Turkic culture was created. Here's something written by en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatole_Klyosovrugiland.narod.ru/index/0-1468My idea is that the first Turkic culture was created when Europeans (not Indo-Europeans of course) met with people from Asia just before they reached Urals. That's probably how Native Americans are European in origin. Those people mixed and some of them migrated to America.
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Post by Turanist on Jan 2, 2015 11:00:26 GMT 3
Why do people call Mongolions and Mongoliad alot? Arent they Turkic/Hunnic. When I think of Mongols I only think about the Genghis Khan time era and a bit before. It makes more sense to me to call them Hunnic rather calling others Mongoliad. I am curious.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 2, 2015 12:14:11 GMT 3
Mongoloid is an anthropological term used for the various peoples living in Central, Eastern and Southeastern Asia. It doesn't have anything to do with the Mongols ethnically. Just like the term Caucasoid which is used for the "White" peoples of Eurasia, but we know that the vast majority of "Caucasoids" are not from Caucasia.
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Post by nomadsoul on Apr 29, 2016 20:35:17 GMT 3
Oghuz Turk descent from Tocharian
Turk=Tukri=Tocri/Tokhar=Tocharian
Xiongnu were Hunnic, not necessarily Turkic
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Apr 30, 2016 14:01:12 GMT 3
That's not correct. The names Tokhar and Turk have nothing to do with each other, they just look a bit similar. And the Xiongnu were Turkic.
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Post by nomadsoul on Sept 13, 2016 12:19:15 GMT 3
That's not correct. The names Tokhar and Turk have nothing to do with each other, they just look a bit similar. And the Xiongnu were Turkic. Xiongnu does have some Turkic element, but not all Xiongnu tribes were Turkic
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