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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 24, 2006 22:39:27 GMT 3
I don't believe that Steppe tribes moved north to forrested regions like Siberia, in fact history has shown that it was rather vice versa, like Khirgiz displacign Uyghurs, comign from north or Manchus and Tungus in general... But we have the Sakha who migrated to their current homeland from the Steppe. Plus, the Qïrghïz were indeed a Steppe people because they lived in the Abakan Steppe of the Southern Yenisei Basin.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2006 19:38:19 GMT 3
feramez211, the Persians are just one of the many Iranic peoples; not all Iranics (Soghdians, Kurds, Lors, Balochs, Pashtuns, Ancient Khwârazmians, etc) are Persians. The relationship between Persians and Iranics are similar to the relationship of Oghuz and Turkics - that the Persians and Oghuz are branches of many Iranic and Turkic peoples I know, Persian is the name of their race like Turk or Turkic is the name of the Turk race. That's what I meant by Persian, not just Iranian Persians.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 25, 2006 19:50:31 GMT 3
No, the general term for that group of peoples including Persians, Medes, Soghdians, Khwârazmians, Pashtûns, Balochs, Kurds, Lors, etc etc is Iranic/Iranian, not Persian. Persians are an Iranic people. Note that Iranic does not only mean someone living in Iran.
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Post by nisse on May 29, 2007 2:56:04 GMT 3
I prefer the term indo-european better
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Post by nisse on May 29, 2007 2:56:29 GMT 3
many people confuse iranic with persians
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Post by Azadan Januspar on Feb 9, 2008 15:25:36 GMT 3
Does anyone know what happened to that frozen mummy found in 2006 in Altai mountains, what was the result of the genetic tests? was he pure scythian or intermingled with proto-turkic?
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Post by Azadan Januspar on Feb 9, 2008 15:33:25 GMT 3
I call Sakas, Sarmatians and Alans and others our lost kinsmen, because they perished in fornt of the Turkics just because they werent actually practising a suitable and centralized way of government, were tehy most of the times dispersed, so in spite of being good warriors they had to cease to exist like. There's a huge lesson for the remainder of iranic ethnicities to learn in their sad story I think.
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Post by Temüjin on Feb 9, 2008 22:09:21 GMT 3
Does anyone know what happened to that frozen mummy found in 2006 in Altai mountains, what was the result of the genetic tests? was he pure scythian or intermingled with proto-turkic? i haven't heard of it ever since....
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Feb 9, 2008 22:53:33 GMT 3
I call Sakas, Sarmatians and Alans and others our lost kinsmen, because they perished in fornt of the Turkics just because they werent actually practising a suitable and centralized way of government, were tehy most of the times dispersed, so in spite of being good warriors they had to cease to exist like. There's a huge lesson for the remainder of iranic ethnicities to learn in their sad story I think. This is how things worked back then. Many Turkic peoples also disappeared because of other Turkic peoples.
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Post by kokturk on Feb 10, 2008 23:22:53 GMT 3
There's a huge lesson for the remainder of iranic ethnicities to learn in their sad story I think. Like not to make Turks angry, huh ? ;D
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Feb 11, 2008 14:10:22 GMT 3
Yes indeed ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Azadan Januspar on Feb 14, 2008 2:17:10 GMT 3
There's a huge lesson for the remainder of iranic ethnicities to learn in their sad story I think. Like not to make Turks angry, huh ? ;D this is kinda not professional There's a more than a tiny difference between who invaded and who have been invaded when it comes to judge Mr.Kokturk. About that being angry thing I'm sure Iranians have the right to be angry more than Turks. Imagine that we had invaded your homelands in those times and now supporting it, what was your reaction? by the way in the 7th century Iranian authority was already over on this land, it was after that time the Turkics managed continue on their invasion after destroying nomadic iranians, now in the lands held by then iranian kingdoms. Actually Arabs made it easy for the invasions from Turkics, frontiers which had been kept for centuries by iranian armies. But I tell you what; if the modern turks started to read their history by the begin of the 20th century iranians unfortunately are starting by the 21th century. that was an achievement for you but iranians are gonna be quite literate about their history from now on.
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Post by kirischi on Jul 9, 2008 23:50:41 GMT 3
Does anyone know what happened to that frozen mummy found in 2006 in Altai mountains, what was the result of the genetic tests? was he pure scythian or intermingled with proto-turkic? Actually I have heard that the closest living relatives to the frozen mummy are the Kazakhs. Makes complete sense, the region where the mummy was found has historically been the land of Turkic peoples. I have always found the Iranic theory to be bunk. Even logic is against the Iranic theory, look we know that the Scythians were good horseman, and good silver and gold-smiths. Is it a coincidence that in todays Iran the Turkmens are the best and only horseman, and the best siver-smiths and not the Persians
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Post by Azadan Januspar on Jul 10, 2008 1:09:22 GMT 3
The Mummy's features is Iranic and it's not a theory and I don't think another so-called theory exists. Where did you hear that?Yeah the region is now and has been land of the Altaics but doesn't ever mean that before that it hadn't belonged to some other people. And I don't know how you find the Iranic theory bunk?! and how is the logic against it? could you give us your sources? Good horsemen, well true they are, but there are still other pure Iranic good horsemen over here in Iran, it is not only confined to Oghuz Turkmens. Who told you, they are better silver smiths than other Iranians?!!
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jul 10, 2008 1:18:21 GMT 3
Hi kirischi, welcome aboard
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