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Post by kokturk on Dec 12, 2006 21:00:53 GMT 3
That Uygur actress does not seem Chinese, instead she must have some Tadjik blood.
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Dec 13, 2006 0:22:52 GMT 3
Some of them look very Asian! ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png) Noghays are predominantly Mongoloid, they're of the same stock as Qazaqs and Qaraqalpaqs.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2006 7:33:19 GMT 3
That Uygur actress does not seem Chinese, instead she must have some Tadjik blood. No, I don't think she looks Tajik at all, she looks like a typical Uygur to me.
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Post by Atabeg on Dec 13, 2006 9:41:07 GMT 3
hmm i thought the Karakalpaks were more related to the Turkmens
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Post by Temüjin on Dec 13, 2006 21:50:05 GMT 3
no, Karakalpaks, Kazakhs and Kyrgyz are closest to each others.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Dec 13, 2006 23:21:00 GMT 3
hmm i thought the Karakalpaks were more related to the Turkmens No, they are Qïpchaqs.
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Post by Temüjin on Dec 13, 2006 23:48:20 GMT 3
Karakalpaks are not Kypchaks, Karakalpaks are the remnants of the Turkic peoples that roamed the western Steppe in the short time between Pechenegs and Kypchaks like Torks (Uzes) and Berendei.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Dec 14, 2006 1:22:45 GMT 3
But they are Qïpchaq-speakers today.
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Dec 14, 2006 3:49:31 GMT 3
Noghays, Qazaq, and Qaraqalpaqs are the three closest people, there're almost no differences in languages and traditions. Qirghiz are a little further.
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Post by Temüjin on Dec 14, 2006 22:16:49 GMT 3
But they are Qïpchaq-speakers today. sure, why not? the Karakalpak confederation started out south of Kiev as allies of the Kiev principality, that places them amongst the Kypchak speaking world. but how they eventually ended up south of lake Aral i don't know...
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Post by Atabeg on Dec 14, 2006 22:36:14 GMT 3
but they were amongst kypchak speaker in kiev as well the tatar languages how much it's influenced and effected by ottmans still is a kypchak languages and not oghuz
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Dec 17, 2006 23:37:45 GMT 3
the Karakalpak confederation started out south of Kiev... There is no strong evidence that "Chernye Klobuki" (nomadic neighbors of Kievan Rus) are the same as Qaraqalpaq people of today's Uzbekistan. In the Russian records, "Chernye Klobuki" (literally " Black hats") were known only by that name, not by any Turkic name.
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Post by kokturk on Dec 17, 2006 23:53:14 GMT 3
the Karakalpak confederation started out south of Kiev... There is no strong evidence that "Chernye Klobuki" (nomadic neighbors of Kievan Rus) are the same as Qaraqalpaq people of today's Uzbekistan. In the Russian records, "Chernye Klobuki" (literally " Black hats") were known only by that name, not by any Turkic name. Can those "Cheryne Klobuki" a branch of the Qaraqalpaqs in Turkestân? Have Qaraqalpaqs anything to do with the Qarapapaqs (A Turkic tribe, anciently located in the Ahiska, Georgia)? Qarapapaq and Qaraqalpaq both have the meaning of Black Hat.
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Dec 18, 2006 0:37:15 GMT 3
Have Qaraqalpaqs anything to do with the Qarapapaqs (A Turkic tribe, anciently located in the Ahiska, Georgia)? Qarapapaq and Qaraqalpaq both have the meaning of Black Hat. Qarapapaqs of Georgia and Western Azerbaijan are also known as Terekeme. By that name, they are probably a branch of Turkmens. There's an ethnic group called Truhmen in southern Russia (near border with Georgia) who are believed to be a branch of Turkmens. www.terekemeler.com
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Post by Temüjin on Dec 18, 2006 1:31:58 GMT 3
There is no strong evidence that "Chernye Klobuki" (nomadic neighbors of Kievan Rus) are the same as Qaraqalpaq people of today's Uzbekistan. In the Russian records, "Chernye Klobuki" (literally " Black hats") were known only by that name, not by any Turkic name. well ok, but i think there is an interestign connection. according to what i've read, the Chernye Klobuki were the remnants of Torks (Uzes) and Berendei. and Karakalpaks live today in Uzbekistan. and Uzbek came from one of the Khans of the Golden Horde... Uz Beg meaning ruler of Uzes. so why did Uzbeks called themselves after this Khan? there might be a connection....
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