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Post by Nomad (Daz) on Nov 28, 2006 11:16:29 GMT 3
Catholic Church still suffers from "Code of De Vinchi". In Kazakhstan I read about the new flow of belive in Christianity. Worshipers of Mariya.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 28, 2006 19:50:17 GMT 3
Lets talk about FEMALE GODS. Recently many top religions have been punched in the kidney by the rise of female worshiping. Note that this board is for Steppe religions only
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Post by snafu on Nov 28, 2006 22:52:42 GMT 3
Umai and Yersub/Itugen are the only major steppe goddesses I can think of.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 28, 2006 23:28:39 GMT 3
Ïduq Umay Ana is a female spirit, not a true goddess actually.
Ïduq Yir-sub is the collection of all natural spirits, a continuation of Animism. It has no gender because it is not a single spirit.
Wasn't Etügen related with Earth?
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Post by tengrikut on Nov 30, 2006 19:41:38 GMT 3
yersub isnt just a person. yersub is the power of the ground which means spirit of the ground.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Dec 1, 2006 2:00:20 GMT 3
Not just Earth, but also Water. Yirsub = Yir (Earth) + Sub (Water) But it includes other natural spirits too (except Umay and the souls of ancestors).
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Post by tengrikut on Dec 13, 2006 0:41:28 GMT 3
sub is not "su" it means power as i know and i am sure that i read as it.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Dec 13, 2006 1:07:27 GMT 3
No, Sub is the old form of Su meaning Water.
In the Secret History of the Mongols, it is written that the Chinese "earth and water spirits" caused Ögedei Khaghan to get sick. Than Tolui sacrificed himself to the spirits to save his brother.
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Post by aca on Dec 13, 2006 13:54:58 GMT 3
Yes. And in modern Turkish you can still see the trace of this "b" at the end of the word... That's why you say "suyu" (his water) instead of "susu", which should be the correct form if the word was originaly "su".
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Post by Temüjin on Dec 13, 2006 21:40:52 GMT 3
In the Secret History of the Mongols, it is written that the Chinese "earth and water spirits" caused Ögedei Khaghan to get sick. Than Tolui sacrificed himself to the spirits to save his brother. i always wondered about that passage, is it myth or truth?
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Dec 13, 2006 23:26:27 GMT 3
Of course it is a myth ;D More correctly, a myth having bits and pieces of real history.
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Post by Temüjin on Dec 13, 2006 23:45:53 GMT 3
yes, but what is the reality behind this myth? isn't it that according to Steppe law the youngest brother (Tolui) becomes the new Khan? eventually his sons gained that position after Möngke. Ögödai was the second youngest, so naturally he was the next in sucession. Tolui also always was with his father on camapign, as if he was preparing him for his future career as Khan. so with Tolui away, Ögödai becomes the new Khan as second yougnest, so is it realistic that Tolui sacrificed hismelf?
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