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Post by Bor Chono on Sept 18, 2006 7:37:23 GMT 3
I`m rushed to open this page! U know why! Well...I call myself a Buddist. But I don`t prey, I have an image of a goddess at home but rarely look at it or ask for help. Few days ago one Chinese priest came to my work place & showed something, it said "There was flood disaster in China & a Buddist temple was destroyed, Students of Buddah please help?" I saw that there were ppl who gave 100-1000(=not much money, less that 1$) tugriks & signed. Well... somehow I managed to refuse.(doing this I became selfish bad guy! but I thought Mother nature destroyed this temple & I think that Chinese Buddism & Korean Buddism was against Mongols. Tibetian & Mongolian Buddism is more shamanistic & old gods are called evil but respected.)  I give big respect to Mongolian Buddism & it`s items. I don`t think that it is Satanism(=some foreign travelers called Mongolian Buddist images bit savage,sadistic & Satanist/=a lot of fire is used, looks like in hell/, I guess these images were created for Mongols because Mongols liked savage looking heros & images). I find myself a guardian of this religion(=being not fanatic about it) & culture. I use Buddism to make peace with everyone. I like Buddist way mixed with Mongol beliefs : "If U think or say only about good things your life will be Ok." Old beliefs are better in modern life : "Victory & survival is important, do not care! always keep your mind(=order=Tengri) clear"  I guess Buddism was before Cristianity & Islam among Nomads. ;D |
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Post by Atabeg on Sept 18, 2006 19:03:23 GMT 3
hmm when did the nomads switched from tengrism to shamanism If i remember correct the turks became directly muslim or christian
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Sept 18, 2006 20:36:13 GMT 3
These are the images of Buddha on the rocks near the river Ile (Ili) in Jetisu region of Kazakstan:   They're believed to be left by the Buddist missionaries long time ago. |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Sept 19, 2006 2:57:21 GMT 3
L. Ligeti and Ö. Ýzgi wrote that Buddhism was spread among the Uyghurs back in the 7th century, there aren't much direct evidences for that I think (except for the name Pusa belonging to an Uyghur chief - they claim this was a Buddhist title).
Buddhism became more popular among the Uyghurs after they migrated to the Tarim Basin in the mid-9th century. An important amount of Uyghur literature was dedicated to Buddhist texts.
The Blue Turk rulers usually respected Buddhism, but only one ruler is recorded to be one - Tardu Qaghan, successor of Mugan Qaghan. Tardu Qaghan is said to have built Buddhist temples (or one temple? I do not remmeber) in the qaghanate's center while he also ordered the translations of some important Buddhist works. The Chinese travelling monk Xuan Zang recorded that Tong Yabghu Qaghan, ruler of the Western Blue Turks, accepted him with great respect (as often found amoung steppe rulers for the holy men of all religions). Bilge Qaghan of the Second Blue Turk Qaghanate once thought of converting to Buddhism but he gave up this idea after his discussion with Tonyuquq, his prime minister.
As far as I know, the Mahâyâna (Great Vehicle) sect of Buddhism was more acceoted among the Turkic peoples.
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Post by Bor Chono on Sept 19, 2006 5:01:04 GMT 3
hmm when did the nomads switched from tengrism to shamanism If i remember correct the turks became directly muslim or christian I guess Nomdas switched from Shamanism to Tengrism. |
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Post by Atabeg on Sept 19, 2006 18:10:37 GMT 3
and after that budism or Islam or christianity right?
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Sept 19, 2006 20:41:32 GMT 3
A. Zeki Velidî Togan has a strange theory that Buddhism might have been a form Turko-Mongol Tengrism  |
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Post by Bor Chono on Oct 23, 2006 8:43:22 GMT 3
Well..., I`ve mentioned before that Buddism made Mongols weak. However, U can see the word "weak" in different way. =I mean "Peaceful" What do U think? How to make warriors weak, make them fear?  |
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Oct 23, 2006 20:43:50 GMT 3
Buddism made Mongols weak. I mean "Peaceful" Buddhism is a very peaceful religion that advocates non-violence. My Buddhist friend told me that if someone attacks a Buddhist, he must not strike back, but feel sorry for the person for not understanding the meaning of life. |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Oct 23, 2006 23:43:34 GMT 3
That is a common idea that Buddhism made Turko-Mongols weak. However, as Mahmûd of Kâshghar describes, the Uyghurs of Turfan were still very good archers even in the 11th century. And look at the Japanese samurai - most of them were Zen Buddhists ;D
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Oct 24, 2006 3:14:25 GMT 3
as Mahmûd of Kâshghar describes, the Uyghurs of Turfan were still very good archers even in the 11th century. Actually Uyghurs officially practiced the religion of Manichaeism since 8th century until the collapse of their empire. In their Mani temples, they would portray Buddha washing the feet of the Devil (according to L.Gumilev), by doing so Uyghurs infuriated their Buddhist neighbors. Japanese people also have their native religion Shinto. But in general they tend to be syncretic in the religion, merging different beliefs and religioous traditions in their everyday life. In other words, Japanese are not pure Buddhist. |
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Oct 24, 2006 15:36:13 GMT 3
Buddism made Mongols weak. I mean "Peaceful" Buddhism is a very peaceful religion that advocates non-violence. My Buddhist friend told me that if someone attacks a Buddhist, he must not strike back, but feel sorry for the person for not understanding the meaning of life. Sounds similar like christianity-idea "Turn the other cheek"... |
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Oct 24, 2006 23:35:20 GMT 3
Sounds similar like christianity-idea "Turn the other cheek"... But the Christianity was the religion that proved to be able to defend itself, even by means of war. The same goes for Islam. Terms like "Crusade" and "Jihad" can mean any struggle, including the military "holy war". The same goes for "Ghazah" (Ghazawat), meaning the Muslim war against non-believers. It looks like Buddhism was very much against such practices, and even in defending itself, it preferred the way of non-violence. |
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Post by Bor Chono on Oct 25, 2006 5:01:47 GMT 3
Thank U guys I heard what I wanted! ;D I can say that Buddism is not a innocent Religion!, From side it looks like it is very peaceful one. It depends on Respect. I mean if U respect it, it will respect U & your beliefs. If U are from other religion & U have burn a Buddist temple! expect a huge trouble cuz U will be called/become a vandal. Did U ever heard about "War of Shambal" -In legends, in this war even insects help to (true, for life)Buddist side. -Actually this is a name of a holy war against any foreign aggression -even Buddists can fight with each other. I hope U ppl know that Tibets were not peaceful ppl, they always had war with Mongols & Chinese. Chinese use Buddism as weapon -I mean as shield to hide their sword. I hope that U ppl heard about Chinese Shaolin monestaries. Actually there are many types of Buddism. Shame is that once Mongols fought with each other because of Buddism. The winner is present Tibet & Mongolian Buddism -yellow sect. Buddism can cut your courage/anger by 50% -just saying don`t care about this life! U better think about next one!. Do good things as many as it is possible! ;D There are many stories about how Buddism entered in Mongols mind. But they all same in context. A Mongol war lord was celebrating a victory on his enemies. As in old ways he was cutting heads of prisoners in public & putting their heads on pikes. Some Buddist monks came to stop it. Ofcourse Mongols will not harm monks. They are invited by the war-lord. War-lord wants to hear stories, & if they can tell, he wants to know about his future!. The war lord : -I`m successful, I guess Gods/souls of my ancestors like me! When I die what will happen with my soul. The monks draw a circle & said "-see by yourself!" The war lord : -What is this!? Who is he! -I mean the one who is suffering! The monks : -it is U in your next world life. The war lord : -How will I change it? The monks : -stop the killing & try to give peace & happiness to ppl. -I guess there are many such stories that evil guys become defender of light(=Buddism). And this is part of what he might saw : ;D  |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Oct 25, 2006 23:33:17 GMT 3
Actually Uyghurs officially practiced the religion of Manichaeism since 8th century until the collapse of their empire. In their Mani temples, they would portray Buddha washing the feet of the Devil (according to L.Gumilev), by doing so Uyghurs infuriated their Buddhist neighbors. I was talking about the Turfanese Uyghurs who were mostly Mâhayâna Buddhists eventhough there were still some Mânîkheists and Nestorian Christians among them. Japanese people also have their native religion Shinto. But in general they tend to be syncretic in the religion, merging different beliefs and religioous traditions in their everyday life. In other words, Japanese are not pure Buddhist. Yes that is right for the ordinary people, but Pre-Meiji Samurai were mostly Zen Buddhists to my knowledge. Of course the non-samurai Japanese were very flexible on religious matters. |
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