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Post by Boorchi Noyan on Oct 31, 2006 2:42:05 GMT 3
ok I will put it here when I find...
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Oct 31, 2006 14:10:51 GMT 3
I will also ask it to Salim Koca, one of the rare Seljuk History experts in Turkey.
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Post by Boorchi Noyan on Oct 31, 2006 19:00:53 GMT 3
Oh I was looking for it and you can't think what I have found  In one of Yavuz Selim's letters to Shah Ismail, he claimed to be the descendent of Alp Er Tonga.  ) Btw I have found... Ebulgazi Bahadir Han says: "Seljuqids were Turkomans(Oghuz here). They did not have benefits for the country(IL). But when they became ruler, they said "we are Kiniks from Turkoman(Oghuz again). We came from Afrasyab." And they claimed their descendency as: "One of Afrasyab's(Alp Er Tonga) sons survived from Kıyaksar(Keyhusrev). He came near Kiniks and stayed with them. Grown up there and got married there. We are his sons." Then they counted and found Afrasyab as 35th ancestor." |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 1, 2006 17:46:47 GMT 3
Hmm thank you very much, that is a very interesting information.
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Post by Boorchi Noyan on Nov 2, 2006 22:37:21 GMT 3
But please ask it to Salim Koca Hoca |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 3, 2006 23:45:18 GMT 3
I will ask it to him when I will visit him next Tuesday morning |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 21, 2020 19:47:46 GMT 3
After fifteen years, I have finally made a detailed study on Türk (Tujue) tribes and listed them in a newly published paper. Anyone interested in the topic can check this thread: Tribes of the Türks (Tujue 突厥/Köktürks). |
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Post by boleslawi on Apr 5, 2020 10:35:49 GMT 3
After fifteen years, I have finally made a detailed study on Türk (Tujue) tribes and listed them in a newly published paper. Anyone interested in the topic can check this thread: Tribes of the Türks (Tujue 突厥/Köktürks). Wow, congratulations. It must be a lot of hard works. So do the Seljuks belong to the Turk tribes dating back to the Kok-Turuk Empires? |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Apr 5, 2020 18:30:12 GMT 3
Thank you very much boleslawi. Indeed it was a tiring process but I enjoyed working on it a lot.
The Seljuk dynasty was from the Qïnïq (Kınık) tribe of the Oghuz, a Turkic people that appeared in western Kazakhstan in the late 8th century. The Oghuz were made up of 22 (11th century) and later 24 (13th century) tribes; some of these appear to have migrated from Mongolia and Southern Siberia while some were probably natives of the region for at least a few centuries. However, we can not trace the Qïnïq before the 11th century so we don't know if they were a western or eastern Turkic tribe. They don't appear to be a member of the Türk (Kök Türük) Qaghanate as far as the sources regarding that period say, but they might have been. The Türk and Uyghur inscriptions of Mongolia mention only a few of the Turkic tribes, while Chinese sources list far more but they appear to mention mostly the major tribes, saying that there were "others" as well. I am also currently writing a book on the origins of the Oghuz and their tribes' pre-Oghuz conditions.
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