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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 18, 2004 17:42:54 GMT 3
(originially posted by me at October 18, 2004) ----
I heard there were ten tribes among the Tūjué 突厥 people but I could find out only two of them: the Āshĭnà 阿史那 and the Āshĭdé 阿史德. What were the names of the other tribes? Does anyone know (I know it must be really hard to find out)?
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Post by Boorchi Noyan on Apr 17, 2006 4:19:41 GMT 3
What do you mean by Tujue tribes? The tribes that joined them or the real sons of the armless boy? By the way, it has passed a lot from your post, have you find out sth?
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Apr 17, 2006 16:31:27 GMT 3
What do you mean by Tujue tribes? The tribes that joined them or the real sons of the armless boy? The ten tribes that formed the T¨¹r¨¹k people, not their subjects. By the way, it has passed a lot from your post, have you find out sth? I heard that these tribes' names are given in the Old and New Tang Annals, among the chapters about the relocation of the T¨±ju¨¦ Í»ØÊ in Northern China. However I can't access that right now
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Post by tengrikut on Apr 25, 2006 0:54:42 GMT 3
there are some tribe names inOrhun inscriptions like "üch kurýkan (sakas), toguz oghuz, tatabý, kýtayn.....
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Apr 29, 2006 0:05:38 GMT 3
They aren't in the Türük Bodun. Besides they're not tribes (bod), they are peoples (bodun)
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Post by Boorchi Noyan on Jun 9, 2006 1:45:49 GMT 3
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jun 9, 2006 23:18:10 GMT 3
Ah, what my dear old friend Sharrukin talked about is the On Oq (Ten Tribes) of the 7th-8th century Western Gök Türks.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jun 21, 2006 15:50:04 GMT 3
Prof. Dr. Ýsenbike Togan and her research team has finally published the Turkish translation of the Tujue Monography of the Jiu Tangshu (Old Annals of the Tang). I've started reading it but I haven't found any names of the Tujue tribes yet. But if I find any, I shall post them here.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jul 10, 2006 20:51:36 GMT 3
Bad luck, I could find no tribal names except the famous Ashina and Ashide
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Post by Bor Chono on Jul 21, 2006 14:27:49 GMT 3
"Ashide" what does it mean? In Mongolia lang "Ashida" or "Ashid" means "Future" (-in old speaking!, now we use word "Ireedui"="Comming"="Future").
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jul 21, 2006 23:14:19 GMT 3
No one knows. Āshĭnà 阿史那 is the Chinese transcription of the name of the ruling tribe of the Blue Turks.
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Post by Atabeg on Jul 21, 2006 23:25:43 GMT 3
asena is the same right?
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Post by Boorchi Noyan on Jul 22, 2006 1:57:52 GMT 3
yes, that is what is called asena now, ahiskali... Tigin, I think the others (8 tribes) must begin with "ashi"... What do you think?
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Post by Atabeg on Jul 22, 2006 11:02:19 GMT 3
hmm could be It makes sence I guess
ashi(grip asisi hehe)
Four proposal for the origin of Ashina: One of the ten sons descended from a female grey wolf. Descendant from a male from Suo nation, north of Xiongnu, who mother is a wolf, and a season goddess. Mixture stocks from the Pingliang prefecture of middle Gansu. Descendant from a skilled archer named Shemo, who once fallen in love on a sea goddess and ended in tragedy. Take note that the first and second sources came from Zhoushu, 50, the third from Suishu, 84, the fourth from Youyang Zazu, 04
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jul 23, 2006 17:29:39 GMT 3
Tigin, I think the others (8 tribes) must begin with "ashi"... What do you think? I have no idea
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