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Post by ryukyurhymer on May 11, 2008 10:25:10 GMT 3
I cannot really read the contents of that forum, but would like to see pictures of modern day Salars. Where in that forum can I go to see some? also I saw this banner a few times looks similar to the star of david. Usually its associated with Judaism, so I'm surprised the Islamic Salars use this symbol?
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 12, 2008 23:58:01 GMT 3
The Star of David was a very popular motiff in Islamic arts.
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Post by Azadan Januspar on Jul 3, 2008 11:45:45 GMT 3
What's the meaning of the term "Salar"?
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jul 3, 2008 21:51:42 GMT 3
It means "someone who sets free" (from the root word "sal-").
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Post by ceonni on Jun 6, 2009 5:22:09 GMT 3
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Post by nomadi on Jun 10, 2009 16:13:11 GMT 3
great pictures !!!!
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jun 11, 2009 4:24:10 GMT 3
Very nice
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Post by ceonni on Jun 13, 2009 1:25:33 GMT 3
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Post by ceonni on Jun 13, 2009 1:30:00 GMT 3
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Post by nomadi on Jun 13, 2009 16:59:01 GMT 3
I will marry with this girls inshallah:D
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Post by ceonni on Jun 14, 2009 0:02:15 GMT 3
There are four of them. In general, Salars are monogamous.
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Post by ALTAR on Jun 15, 2009 13:33:05 GMT 3
Ceonni, nice pictures. Thank you. I'm also glad to see my Salar brothers. I hope meeting them in the real life too. Adriyatik'ten Çin Seddi'ne TTK
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Post by ceonni on Jun 16, 2009 1:14:04 GMT 3
if anyone from this forum knows Chinese, please sign onto the following two forums. You will be able to converse with the Salars in Turkish, Azeri and Turkmen. However, because the interface is Chinese, you do need to know Chinese in order to sign up yourself. Once you get passed that, everything can be in any Oguz language.
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Post by arnewise12 on Jun 16, 2009 23:41:06 GMT 3
u guys surely look like chinese rather than turkmen, u are very short, turkmens in general are tall at least the ones I have met
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Post by ceonni on Jun 17, 2009 6:03:39 GMT 3
Uptil 1930s, "pure" Salirs of Central Asian features are found in abundance on Western travellers' photo journals. Today, the non-Chinese looking Salirs are mainly those who life in Ili (Ghulja), Xinjiang, who are actually of Russian Tatar looks, not Karakum Turkmen looks. According to a photo posted on one of the Salar forums, I actually found a Chinese policeman of Salar descent that has the aforementioned Russian Tatar looks. But he might be from Qinghai, not Xinjiang. The Russian Tatar-lookalike Salar I met in real life was one who sells kebab at Wudaokou, Beijing.
Most of the Salar youths that run the current websites now, however, are more Chinese-Tibetan looking than many of their grandparents in the 1930 pictures.
This perhaps shows a pattern of absorption of Tibetan, Sarta (Dongxiang), Bonan, Han Chinese and Hui brides. The Salars are known to be a more wealthy and industrious ethnic group. They travel wide into Han Chinese and Hui territories. This will inevitably 1) attract their Tibetan, Sarta, Bonan neighbors into marrying Salar males and 2) bring back Han and Hui brides.
While the Salar nation was of relatively large size during the Qing Dynasty, its population was probably reduced during the Dungan (Hui) Revolts, in which some Salars participated in the anti-Qing side, and was suppressed by the pro-Qing forces, which were often made up of Salars and Dungans. This brief period of population setback probably prompted the originally more endogamous Salars to take brides from neighboring ethnic groups.
During the Chinese Republic (1911-1949) period, the Salar area was a relatively stable area under the rule of the Dungan Ma Warlords. Some populations of Dungans, Hans, including some captives from the Han Communist armies, were resettled into Salar villages. One count has it that several hundred Communist Hans were forced by the Hui warlords to build a mosque in a Salar town. These POWs were later set free and taken in by Salar families. Their descendants became Muslim Salars.
Many Salars inherited Han surnames. Traditional Salar surnames would normally be "Han" (probably from the turkic word Khan), and otherwise Bai, Zhang and Ma, which are common among the Dungan Hui. However, today it is not uncommon to find Salars with the surnames Wang, Lu. I suspect these might be Han families that settled in the region and became Muslim and Turkified.
Turkic cultures have the great capacity to absorb.
Even among "Turkmens" to the west, the Qizilbash, Qaraqum Turkmens, Azeris, Qashqays, Iraqi Turkmens (Bayats), Turkish Yoruks vary greatly among each other in terms of physical attributes and customes. So, who are the true "Turkmens"?
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