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Post by Nomad (Daz) on Jul 4, 2006 2:52:53 GMT 3
In old times every Tuesday was called a Gerg day by Kipchaks and Tengri worshipers. Its a day of sorrow and bad luck. Long time ago a great man died at a young age in this day and he was the messenger of Tengri. The close one to Tengri, who spoke with words of Tengri.
In this day we usually don't smile and don't take a long journey.
My Question is:
1) Who was St George?:
2) Where is his origin?:
3) How did he died?:
4) What story can you tell us about him?:
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Post by Nomad (Daz) on Jul 5, 2006 21:07:44 GMT 3
Version of St George 13-14 century by Slovak. Later version What are the difference?
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Post by Bor Chono on Jul 8, 2006 10:09:20 GMT 3
In old times every Tuesday was called a Gerg day by Kipchaks and Tengri worshipers. Its a day of sorrow and bad luck. Long time ago a great man died at a young age in this day and he was the messenger of Tengri. The close one to Tengri, who spoke with words of Tengri. Nomad! I think U are mixing Tengrism with Cristianity.!? First I don`t know any Tengrist saint with Europian name! Number 2 is bad number for Buddist too. Yes, here in Mongolia, Tuesday is called "Black day" -but not "Friday-13th". This day U should be careful what U do. Do U know why Cristians call "Friday-13th" bad? Friday=Five=Star=Death 13 is very good number for Mongols. I think, early Europians were very dumb ppl. They called number 13 bad because of 14th century plaque. I mean years that started with 13.. were not good for them. But think! Jesus+his 12 followers=13 men. It means that early europians/Church-Cristians were radicals & called everything BAD if they don`t like it. Nomad! I think U know that ancestors of Kazak ppl were Cristians. I heard that nomads had Shaman like Priests. I mean their knowledge about their God is passed generation to generation by special/chosen ppl. These ppl were recpected & believed that they have connections with The God. Actually it was against Cristian Church! The Roman Church.
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Post by Bor Chono on Jul 8, 2006 10:18:13 GMT 3
I can tell he was Roman soldier. However I like the way he killling the dragon.!
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Post by Nomad (Daz) on Jul 10, 2006 21:47:59 GMT 3
Well he was one of them by Tengrezm. Tengree chooses people to become a prophet by their deeds not by their bloodlines. Elders say that the wealth of fathers will do no good to the child. Father could be great but you can be missed out by his shadow. I only know few people who surpass their fathers in glory and power. Alxander the Great is one of them. Well Christians have their own belives. I know some people who write projects on such thing as Friday 13 and make big theories about the number 13 and Friday. Take american dollar for example! And how did you connected us to christians? Prophets of Tengri are not ordinary people. They must prove that they worth to wear the closes and to carry the word of Tengri. No bloodline. You can be a son yet you are no-one. The people who carried the word of Tengri wear white cloak and traveled around their earth. The only wealth they carried was their knowledge and belive. They helped people and asked nothing in return. As long as you do good things for humanity itself sacrifising yourself you are the great. By Ortodox (Greek Church) he lived at the begining of the 4th century in between Armeniya and Georgia. Roman empire just expanded and defited Persia and took this place as a reward.
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Post by Bor Chono on Jul 12, 2006 9:30:20 GMT 3
Nomad please tell me!? what is about Dollar? Well...We know that Hereids & Naimans were Cristians. I`m not sure about Merkits & Kypchaks. But many claim that West steppe was infected by Cristianity. Russians,Bulgars,Hungars...etc helped to running Kypchacks. Why? -it is impossible that they had so much gold. Many say it was their common religion. On their way Kypchacks as Cristians asked help from Cristians telling them that they have been chased by some demons or heretics. They(steppe Nobles) were important for The Great Khaan because they were steppe ppl or they had something powerful thing or holy item?.(many would die, chasing them! but The Great Khaan didn`t care). There is one fairy tale/legendary character who lives almost eternity & travel around the world(=actually it`s North Asia) helping ppl. U can say it is North Asian justice =Old white man(Tsagaan uvgun). He can turn into anything, it is old man in white coat. He choses young heros to do justice(defeate evil) & good. He doesn`t do much, very shy doesn`t show himself, but he likes to watch. No one knows how powerful he is -he even can make dead ppl(hero) alive!!!. Among shamans he is called High-shaman. The Great khaan was dressed in white because white color symbolizes Snow-Clouds, Knowledge, Holy - Pure(milk) . Europes say "Your highness!". Mongols say "Gegeen ezen minu"="Oh my bright lord" Russians say "Vasha.. Velichestvo.."="Your Greatness!"(also it can be understood as "Oh my order giver!" hehe). Chinese say "Oh my 10000 years old lord".(It can be understood as "Great Dragon")
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Post by Bor Chono on Jul 15, 2006 11:48:07 GMT 3
Agent : -ppl want love!? Religion creator : -just tell them that their lord loves them! Agent : -they want a hero or holy images!? or something like it. Religion creator : -Holy images!? Well.. what we have here!? Ah..I like the way that this Budda has bright head! & also this Egyptian mother with baby! And also this Greek ppl with wings! -remember add more clouds & light! pics must be beautiful! Agent : -ppl want that their sins be cleaned!? Religion creator : -Is it possible? Agent : -Well..I don`t know,!? Religion creator : -Tell them! if they come to my church & tell their secrets their sins will be cleaned. Agent : -ppl want to know what is the reason of life. Religion creator : -Tell them! Reason of your life is to serve the Lord & his church. Agent : -some ask why!? Religion creator : -Ask them! "Do U help your parents? & serve your king?. If U do! what will U do for your creator!?" Agent : -they want to know what to do!? Religion creator : -Tell them! that they must give part of what they earned from Lord, to church as gift. Agent : -they want to know what will happen then!? Religion creator : -Tell them! if they will be good they will meet the Lord. Agent : -they want to know when they will meet the lord!? Religion creator : -When they die ofcourse! but wait! tell them that he will come soon. Agent : -some ask why he is coming!? Religion creator : -Well...I don`t know!, why gods come to earth? Agent : -to judge or help to ppl. Religion creator : -OK then! tell them that God will come to judge those who don`t follow him. Agent : -they want to know what will happen to ppl who followed him!? Religion creator : -Lord will take them all to live in his home. Agent : -ppl want to know why.... Religion creator : -JUST TELL THEM!!! DON`T ASK WHY! JUST BELIEVE! OK!? Agent : -Ok Agent : -You are a genius! Religion creator : -I know.. Agent : -I think U need to record your knowledge!? Religion creator : -A BOOK! YES! very good idea... ;D ;D
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Post by Atabeg on Jul 15, 2006 14:42:23 GMT 3
I think christians are so uptight because you know of the thing..... they have priest monks pope they're al celibat..(or what you called it) they need p*ssy fast. Muslims i don't know...
btw only caucasian people force their religion on other why is that caucasian arabs are caucasian.
you know what was funny the turks were ex communicated by the pope because they refused christianity hahaha
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Post by Bor Chono on Jul 31, 2006 10:45:34 GMT 3
I think christians are so uptight because you know of the thing..... they have priest monks pope they're al celibat..(or what you called it) they need p*ssy fast. Please! explain more!?
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Post by Atabeg on Jul 31, 2006 13:50:36 GMT 3
they can't have sex so they have to much testosterone. So they get angry fast and stuff. they get some they molest young boys in the quer I hear
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Post by Bor Chono on Aug 1, 2006 18:36:27 GMT 3
they can't have sex so they have to much testosterone. So they get angry fast and stuff. they get some they molest young boys in the quer I hear Yeah! not having sex for a long time is hard! -Even I can`t sleep for 2-3 hours when my loves refuses to do it. Like : -Honey!? honey!?.. -Not today! I`m very tired, maybe in the Morning! :-*good night! -Ok! (I`m like not sleeping for hours) hehehe... Hmm....back to topic! I found this Dragon killing pics : img468.imageshack.us/img468/1318/lvrgeorbd6.jpgimg468.imageshack.us/img468/6159/ngageorun2.jpgLooks same as Nomad`s posted pic!
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Post by Bor Chono on Aug 3, 2006 9:33:49 GMT 3
Do U know why I`m giving big attention to this Goerge!? Because, This "St George"(=George +Bush? -hahaha...) is very attractive (to me. ) 1st. A Hero killing a Dragon 2nd. He is riding a White(=white horse is sacret to Mongols) horse. 3rd. He is saving a girl from a Dragon -Cristian Mongols claim that "Cristianity is the only way(=way to heaven (Tengri?) )". In the very begining they used everything to attract Mongols (-it quicly spreads among poor ppl beacause they promise good life). Also one thing that attracts Mongols is that thinking that Todays Buddism is come from China(=Most Mongols don`t like Chinese), Mongols(=Hereids!?) were promoting Cristianity during it`s compaign against Muslim Seljuk Empire =I mean there is a thinking that (it seems like) Cristianity was before Buddism(=it seems like Buddism didn`t give much developement to Mongols ). Plus this painting! -this is like a big mind-bomb! Many can be attracted to this (pic) St George. -U ask "Why?" It is beacause : There are too many not married chinese men. They are not stupid -they will work hard (collect money) to marry. Most chinese look ugly (for Mongol women) but among them there are also many nice/good looking Chinese men with money. In Mongolia there is more female than male -one reason is many boys die before get adult. So, many gils(=who want money!?) marry with Chinese & number of not-pure Mongols is rising. So, Mongol boys/men want to keep their girls from such not welcomed foreigners. Some tryed to make a law that allows Mongol men to have more than one wife(=I can`t say agree with it, but I would like to sleep with two women ). Dragon is symbol of Chinese ppl. This pic shows the present wish of a Mongol men to keep a it`s girl from a ugly Dragon. Just look at the broken piece of wood, looks like broken border!. Todays Cristianity comes not from Europe but mostly from America & Korea. I think there are more marriges with Korean men than Chinese men. Cristian Mongols think that Chinese are bit against Jesus.(I know that more & more chinese becoming Cristians.). I mean Mongols used to follow Russia, now they don`t want to follow China(=more & more rising in power). Some are suggesting to follow America like Koreans did -& build military bases in Gobi desert.(=well..?? I have nothing to say about it! ). The thing that I don`t like about some Americans is that they want to change us religiously =like Roman Empire. I don`t trust to Jesus! -TRUE GODS DON`T NEED CHURCHES. I don`t know who is St George -it seems like he was a Dragon slayer. I like it! (PS it was my opinion! ;D)
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Post by Bor Chono on Aug 3, 2006 10:07:44 GMT 3
One more thing about Mongolian Buddism.(some would say Buddism=China+ism) Mongols like warriors, I mean they are attracted to powerful, savage Heros(Monsters, Demons...). Mongolian Buddist images are quite savage. This is god of wealth called Namsrai.(-if U print one & put at home U`ll get rich! -hehehe...) : -He is wearing chinese trousers! This is goddess of fertility Tara. -She is wearing wide sleeved chinese coat & long piece of cloth like chinese queens did. So Ancient Rome was promoting Cristianity in West & Ancient China was promoting Buddism in East. -In Mongolian Buddism Dragon is respected as heavenly creature. (I think our grandfathers did not know about it. Still no one is trying to re-paint these gods, I mean make them look like Mongol -sad!. However I think it is our duty to protect what our ancestors built/painted/created...etc.=matter of honor.)
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