Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Dec 17, 2004 19:43:39 GMT 3
(Originially posted by me at September 27, 2004)
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Ok, let's complete the list
Ancient Times:
- Akhemenid Persians: Amrtaka (Immortals), Arstibara (Spearbearers)
- Greek City-States: Epilektoi, Agemai
- Thebains: Ieros Lochos
- Spartans: Three Hundreds, Agathoergoi, Skiritai
- Epirots: Chaeonian Guard
- Macedonians: Hypaspistais Basilikos (Royal Shield-Bearers), Ilai Basilikai (elite Hetairoi), Soomatophylax Basilikos (royal elite infantry guard)
- Han Chinese: 'Winged Forest Orphans'
- Xiongnu: Guards (name currently unknown)
- Hannibal's Carthage: Sacred Band
- Romans: Praetors
Middle Ages:
- Sâssânid Persians: Immortals and some more
- Viking, Saxons, and other Barbarians : Housekarls
- Rus: Druzhina
- Byzantines: Varangians, Immortals and Tagmata
- Tujue (Gök Türks): Böri
- Khazars: Khwarezmian Mercenaries
- Abbâsids, Seljûkids and many Islamic states: Ghulâms
- Hashhishins: Fedâîs
- Mongols: Kheshigten
- Late Ayyûbids: Mamlûks
- Mamlûks: Khassâkî
- Norman and German Sicily: Berber Guards
- Japanese: Hatamota (Daimyo/Shogun's guard)
Renaissance:
- Ottomans: Kapýkulu (witn many corps*)
- Vatican : Swiss Guards
- Aztecs: Ocelot (Jaguar) and Cuahtli (Eagle) Warriors
- Muscovites: Strelets (not sure on that)
17th-19th Centuries:
- French: Maison du Roi**; Napoleon's Imperial Guards
- Poles and German States: Trabant Cavalry (Jan Sobieski also had janissaries)
- British and many European Monarchies: Royal Guards (Household Cavalry and the Footguard Regiments)
- Mexicans: Tulancingo Cuirassiers and Supreme Powers Batallion
20th Century:
- Nazis: SS***
- Soviets: Red Guard
- Mussolini's Italy: Black Shirts
- PRC: Red Guard
Misc:
- Chinese: Imperial Guards
* The Ottoman Kapýkulu Corps included the corps of Yeniçeri (Janissaries), Cebeci (Armorers), Topçu (Artillerymen), Top Arabacý (Gun-Carriers), Humbaracý (Gredaniers), Lâðýmcý (Sappers), Sipâhi (Cavalry), Silâhdâr (Weapon-Carriers), Ulûfeciyân-ý Yemîn (Treasurers of the Right), Ulûfeciyân-ý Yesâr (Treasusers of the Left), Gurebâ-yý Yemîn (Poor of the Right) and Gurebâ-yý Yesâr (Poor of the Left).
** King's Musketeers, Louis XIV's Garde Suisse and the Garde Français
*** Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler, a tank-brigade of the Waffen SS
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(Originially posted by BK at September 27, 2004)
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you seem to have forget the Khwarazmian heavy cavalry of the Khazar, which was composed of oghuz turks
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(Originially posted by me at September 27, 2004)
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Ah yes, thanks for reminding, I added them to the list
But are you sure they were Oghuz? I thought they were local Khârazmians
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(Originially posted by Lannes at September 28, 2004)
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The Ancient Epirote armies had a Chaeonian Guard, which functioned somewhat like the Macedonian Hypaspists.
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(Originially posted by Arkhanson at September 28, 2004)
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Ok, list updated.
I have them in the list, just look at the Kapýkulu section (paragraph starting with an asterisk at the end of the post).
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(Originially posted by Temujin at October 3, 2004)
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the carthaginian guard was also named Sacred band, the veteran spearmen at zama were just the elite spearmen that fought for hannibal in italy
the Guards of Muscovy were not the strelets imo, they were the regular riflemen, can't remember the name of the guards right now...the guards of the Rus' rulers were called Druzhina.
the Jan Sobieski and most of the other German states had a guard of Trabant cavalry, and he also had a small corps of Janissaries.
the personal guards of the ruling Mamlukes were called Khassaki
the rulers of Norman and German Sicily in teh middle ages had Berber-guards. (not listed)
the guards of royal france were overall termed maison du roi, the cent suisse, royal musketeers etc were all part of them
i think the overall name for the british guard regiments is simply royal guard. but back then every monarchy (except austria) had a guard so it's not outstanding to name them all
the modern chinese have also a red guard I think
the guard of the NS-regime was AFAIK the Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler, a tank-brigade of the Waffen SS
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(Originially posted by me at October 3, 2004)
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Ok, let me update the list
Would you please tell us more about those Polish janissaries?
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(Originially posted by Temujin at October 3, 2004)
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I haven't read much about them, only things i know:
- formed by prisoners captured from ottomans (janissaries?)
- had green cloth instead of blue, apart from that everything was the same
- when the Saxon eletors later became Polish kings they took over the janissaries into the Saxon army, that means they had a company of them until the end of Poland
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Ok, let's complete the list
Ancient Times:
- Akhemenid Persians: Amrtaka (Immortals), Arstibara (Spearbearers)
- Greek City-States: Epilektoi, Agemai
- Thebains: Ieros Lochos
- Spartans: Three Hundreds, Agathoergoi, Skiritai
- Epirots: Chaeonian Guard
- Macedonians: Hypaspistais Basilikos (Royal Shield-Bearers), Ilai Basilikai (elite Hetairoi), Soomatophylax Basilikos (royal elite infantry guard)
- Han Chinese: 'Winged Forest Orphans'
- Xiongnu: Guards (name currently unknown)
- Hannibal's Carthage: Sacred Band
- Romans: Praetors
Middle Ages:
- Sâssânid Persians: Immortals and some more
- Viking, Saxons, and other Barbarians : Housekarls
- Rus: Druzhina
- Byzantines: Varangians, Immortals and Tagmata
- Tujue (Gök Türks): Böri
- Khazars: Khwarezmian Mercenaries
- Abbâsids, Seljûkids and many Islamic states: Ghulâms
- Hashhishins: Fedâîs
- Mongols: Kheshigten
- Late Ayyûbids: Mamlûks
- Mamlûks: Khassâkî
- Norman and German Sicily: Berber Guards
- Japanese: Hatamota (Daimyo/Shogun's guard)
Renaissance:
- Ottomans: Kapýkulu (witn many corps*)
- Vatican : Swiss Guards
- Aztecs: Ocelot (Jaguar) and Cuahtli (Eagle) Warriors
- Muscovites: Strelets (not sure on that)
17th-19th Centuries:
- French: Maison du Roi**; Napoleon's Imperial Guards
- Poles and German States: Trabant Cavalry (Jan Sobieski also had janissaries)
- British and many European Monarchies: Royal Guards (Household Cavalry and the Footguard Regiments)
- Mexicans: Tulancingo Cuirassiers and Supreme Powers Batallion
20th Century:
- Nazis: SS***
- Soviets: Red Guard
- Mussolini's Italy: Black Shirts
- PRC: Red Guard
Misc:
- Chinese: Imperial Guards
* The Ottoman Kapýkulu Corps included the corps of Yeniçeri (Janissaries), Cebeci (Armorers), Topçu (Artillerymen), Top Arabacý (Gun-Carriers), Humbaracý (Gredaniers), Lâðýmcý (Sappers), Sipâhi (Cavalry), Silâhdâr (Weapon-Carriers), Ulûfeciyân-ý Yemîn (Treasurers of the Right), Ulûfeciyân-ý Yesâr (Treasusers of the Left), Gurebâ-yý Yemîn (Poor of the Right) and Gurebâ-yý Yesâr (Poor of the Left).
** King's Musketeers, Louis XIV's Garde Suisse and the Garde Français
*** Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler, a tank-brigade of the Waffen SS
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(Originially posted by BK at September 27, 2004)
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you seem to have forget the Khwarazmian heavy cavalry of the Khazar, which was composed of oghuz turks
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(Originially posted by me at September 27, 2004)
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Ah yes, thanks for reminding, I added them to the list
But are you sure they were Oghuz? I thought they were local Khârazmians
----------------
(Originially posted by Lannes at September 28, 2004)
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The Ancient Epirote armies had a Chaeonian Guard, which functioned somewhat like the Macedonian Hypaspists.
----------------
(Originially posted by Arkhanson at September 28, 2004)
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Ok, list updated.
I have them in the list, just look at the Kapýkulu section (paragraph starting with an asterisk at the end of the post).
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(Originially posted by Temujin at October 3, 2004)
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the carthaginian guard was also named Sacred band, the veteran spearmen at zama were just the elite spearmen that fought for hannibal in italy
the Guards of Muscovy were not the strelets imo, they were the regular riflemen, can't remember the name of the guards right now...the guards of the Rus' rulers were called Druzhina.
the Jan Sobieski and most of the other German states had a guard of Trabant cavalry, and he also had a small corps of Janissaries.
the personal guards of the ruling Mamlukes were called Khassaki
the rulers of Norman and German Sicily in teh middle ages had Berber-guards. (not listed)
the guards of royal france were overall termed maison du roi, the cent suisse, royal musketeers etc were all part of them
i think the overall name for the british guard regiments is simply royal guard. but back then every monarchy (except austria) had a guard so it's not outstanding to name them all
the modern chinese have also a red guard I think
the guard of the NS-regime was AFAIK the Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler, a tank-brigade of the Waffen SS
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(Originially posted by me at October 3, 2004)
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Ok, let me update the list
the Jan Sobieski and most of the other German states had a guard of Trabant cavalry, and he also had a small corps of Janissaries.
Would you please tell us more about those Polish janissaries?
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(Originially posted by Temujin at October 3, 2004)
----
I haven't read much about them, only things i know:
- formed by prisoners captured from ottomans (janissaries?)
- had green cloth instead of blue, apart from that everything was the same
- when the Saxon eletors later became Polish kings they took over the janissaries into the Saxon army, that means they had a company of them until the end of Poland