How words were written in old Turkic records

[ancalimon]

I have started this topic so that I can always return back to it for my questions instead of creating a new one each time.

1-) I'm looking for the first usages of the word for khaganate apart from "kaganlýg" ? Could anyone show me how it was written (in Orhun or Latin) and how it was pronounced?

2-) I'm looking for the first usage of the words for eliminate, elect, assign, designate. I guess we have the verb "ata". But apart from that, Are there usages for for example "someone eliminating the opposition" or "some general usage for sieving, sifting through people or objects or grain". Today we use the word ele (verb) or elek (noun) in Turkish..

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

Nice topic; we needed one such.

Nov 8, 2012 15:25:59 GMT 3 ancalimon said:

1-) I'm looking for the first usages of the word for khaganate apart from "kaganlýg" ? Could anyone show me how it was written (in Orhun or Latin) and how it was pronounced?

"Kağanlık" (Qaghanate) is a modern term invented by modern historians. I know no Old Turkic texts that contain a special term for qaghanates, but instead, the word "Il" was always used with the meaning "Country", "State" and "Realm".

Nov 8, 2012 15:25:59 GMT 3 ancalimon said:

2-) I'm looking for the first usage of the words for eliminate, elect, assign, designate. I guess we have the verb "ata". But apart from that, Are there usages for for example "someone eliminating the opposition" or "some general usage for sieving, sifting through people or objects or grain". Today we use the word ele (verb) or elek (noun) in Turkish..

Unfortunately I can't remember This issue brings up the problem of the nonexistance of a Modern Turkish-Old Turkic Dictionary; even though there are many Old Turkic-Russian, Old Turkic-German, Old Turkic-English and Old Turkic-Modern Turkish dictionaries, there are no dictionaries where you can search an old word by looking at modern words. Such an extensive dictionary must be prepared in my opinion.

[hjernespiser]

"there are no dictionaries where you can search an old word by looking at modern words."

That seems to be normal for dead languages since most of the time people are trying to translate the dead language into a modern language, not the other way around.

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

Yes I know, but it would have been nice if vice versa was also possible ;D

[ancalimon]

Nov 9, 2012 21:29:31 GMT 3 hjernespiser said:

"there are no dictionaries where you can search an old word by looking at modern words."

That seems to be normal for dead languages since most of the time people are trying to translate the dead language into a modern language, not the other way around.

Well. Things are different when we are talking about Turkic languages because what we are looking for are roots that gained different meanings. It's about the agglutinative nature of Turkic language.

If we can go back in time regarding Turkic languages, I am almost sure that we would start to see our language as a very valuable tool to understand what is not understood.

It's about the etymology of words.