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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 9, 2012 15:45:57 GMT 3
The Hungarian Turkologist Rásonyi László (Laszlo Rasonyi) once suggested that Prince Basarab I of Wallachia (ancestor of the famous Wallachian prince Vlad III or commonly known as "Vlad the Impaler") might have actually been of Qypchaq-speaking Chinggisid origin from the house of Blue Horde of the Ulus of Jochi. He linked Basarab's name with Middle Turkic Basar Aba.
What do you think about this theory?
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Post by Temüjin on May 9, 2012 22:46:44 GMT 3
the Qypchaq theory for Bassarab has been around for quite some time and seems generally accepted, but it's the first time i've heard Bassarab linked to the Golden Family of Chinggis Qaan...i'd like to see the evidences....
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Post by sarmat on May 9, 2012 23:03:43 GMT 3
Unlikely, but apparently Basarab dynasty originates from Kypchaks assimilated into Valachs. In fact, there is a huge chunk of Kypchaks that settled in the area and was assimilated. There is very interesting evidence and traces of that. Like Valachians had many mounted archers and also there are very ancient words of Turkic origin in Romanian language, mostly related to arms and military, etc.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 10, 2012 10:06:10 GMT 3
Indeed, two centuries of Qypchaq-Cuman settlement in Wallachia and Moldavia must have left many traces.
I don't remember how exactly Rásonyi shaped his theory because I read it quite a long time ago.
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Post by Asparuh on May 13, 2012 0:48:49 GMT 3
Interesting,.I read that Vlad The Impaler or Vlat Tzepesh,nad some Bulgarian roots.But since in the Bulgar kingdom before the Ottoman conquest there were some Cumans already -about 12-14 century A.D. Which are actually the 2 centuries you spoke about with serious Kypchak / Cuman presence in the region and this might be the relation of the origin of Vlad III. Although i read some material about he has some Bulgarian kin or cousins or something,because the Name Vlad is Slavic ,Its all mixed though ,but its most probably of Cuman origin as a descent.He did made a lot of troubles to the Ottomans,but he was finally captured and his head was brought to the Sultan.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 13, 2012 2:24:15 GMT 3
Indeed. Similarly, the Bulgarian Asen Dynasty is also thought to be of Cuman-Qypchaq origin.
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Post by sarmat on May 14, 2012 22:13:56 GMT 3
Although i read some material about he has some Bulgarian kin or cousins or something,because the Name Slav is Slavic ,Its all mixed though ,but its most probably of Cuman origin as a descent.He did made a lot of troibles to the Ottomans,but he was finally captured. His Slavic name is not surprising at all given that Slavic was official language of Romanian principalities all the way until the 19th century and all the chronicles and official documents were exclusively written in Slavic, more precise, Church Slavonic. Not sure about Tepes relations to Bulgarians though. He actually killed thousands of Bulgarians during his raids into Ottoman empire.
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Post by Asparuh on Jul 3, 2012 3:27:37 GMT 3
Yes,it was probably Bulgarians thrown to fight against him by the Ottomans,or Muslim converts from Bulgaria,i read he killed everyone who set foot on Transilvanian - Valachian land ( The name Romania didn´t existed at this time ) And yes i heard about the Romanians used Slavic language,but i wasn´t shure it was until that long of the 19-th century.This is not suprising,because mostly from all sides of today´s Romania there were Slavic people living.
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