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Post by drmacleod on Apr 9, 2012 12:22:40 GMT 3
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Post by massaget on Apr 9, 2012 13:01:44 GMT 3
Good question. I always doubted the kerecsen theory, as falcons are small birds, it doesnt sounds likely that a falcon made Emese pregnant.
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Post by hjernespiser on Apr 9, 2012 19:29:32 GMT 3
Forget about trying to rely upon the artistic depictions. Some of those are so clearly a falcon while others are ambiguous. Look at the beak shape, take note of the head feathers, and eye decorations.
The word Turul is supposed to be cognate to Turkic Toghrul.
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Post by hjernespiser on Apr 10, 2012 0:15:42 GMT 3
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Post by Ardavarz on Apr 10, 2012 2:45:58 GMT 3
The last image is actually the Persian Senmurw (Simurgh), very similar to the images from the treasure of Nagy Szent Miklos. In Iranian mythology he was king of the birds, sometimes described as a hybrid between bird and dog, so I wouldn't guess what species has inspired his image originally. But its origin can be from the famous Scythian gryphons - probably some common Steppe symbol adopted thence by the southern sedentary cultures - Persians, Greeks etc.
It is interesting that there was a similar fire-bird in Tengrian mythology called Sember or Simbir representing the spirit of light Nardugan. According to "Jagfar Tarihy" this was the first animal in the Scythian variant of the 12 animal cycle in the place of the mouse.
I am not sure whether those can be related to the Hungarian Turul, but it's possible.
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Post by hjernespiser on Apr 10, 2012 5:14:11 GMT 3
No, that's not Senmurv. Senmurv is shown with a dog's head. That's the Sassanid Savaran eagle.
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